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    Everybody knows all anime characters go through Second Puberty in their mid-twenties, can't look like a cool high schooler forever eventually you have to change VAs and turn into an ossan

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    True. I forgot that small fact. Nonetheless, I feel that to really differentiate future Shirou from Archer, they actually wouldn't change the VAs.
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    Really, all 3 of the romances in F/SN are 'for want of a nail' kind of situations.
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    You mean because Shirou winds up falling for the first of the three that he Nailed?
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    I dunno why rin gets so much flack for actually being an equal partner in the routei mean, donít get me wrong, seibah foí life and all, but seriouslysaber ends up doing the lionís share of the work so itís not really an equal partnership, and Sakura was damsel in distress, UBW is the only one where you have two people who use their strengths and shared feelings to compliment and overcome each otherís Weaknesses to achieve their goals, and for some reason that makes rin less of a heroine?dah fuck is that logic?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by asterism42 View Post
    I'm convinced that them being voiced by different people if just a way of trying to hide their connection.

    I think in verse it's mentioned that they sound similar at one point.

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    And/or Archer is deliberately lowering the pitch of his voice to distance himself from his past
    In UBW and HF, when Archer is dying Suwabe noticably switches up his voice to be more young and nasal like Sugiyama. Iíd say iís pretty much canon Archer constantly speaks in a fake chuuni batman voice. So by logic I think an older Shirou should be voiced by Suwabe using a higher pitch, but I think that if we ever got something with an older Shirou in it, theyíd still go with Sugiyama because it feels like a rule that our Shirou = Sugiyama. It just feels right.

    logic vs muh heart

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobias View Post
    Anyway going back to the original question, while it’s not assured that shirou won’t look like archer in the future, it’s definitely isn’t true that it’s accepted he definitely will, let alone is gauranteed to do so no matter which route

    I suppose when put that way, your right that agreement on this subject isnt really universal.Where i was coming from is that if we're going by the logic that using his specific projection to a certain limit will inevitably wear out his DNA and cause that gradual change, i would think it inevitable for the Shirou's who follow the path of using their magic over the years.

    I'd love for Nasu to confirm that one way or another to be the case. Extra CCC, UBW 2014(and their overlapped variables ( https://i.ytimg.com/vi/riFP_z9lKIo/hqdefault.jpg ) and Kaleid seem to imply so, but have we ever gotten any input from him?

    The different voice thing i always thought was just a DEEN decision to not make their connection not overly obvious, and then afterward TM just went with it due to reusing the voice cast since then with the implication that they are intended to be similar in voice just with Archer more matured up.

    its also true that a lot of these viewpoints of mine have been spurred on by the question and my headcanon of what Fate route Shirou is supposed to look like arriving in Avalon. They play up the implication of his voice being different, his body having changed such...i always get the image of casual Playable Archer from Extra CCC, he's gone through tons of shit in his life but he's still the same old dude in the end

    On another similar note to this convo, it gets you to thinking with Archer becoming pretty strong by the time of his death despite having far less experience or knowledge regarding his own powers at the end of the war than any of the 3 routes, what the eventual limitations of FSN Shirou actually end up being. Its assured that UBW and HF Shirou have quite a huge head start on Fate, but i think that eventually getting to and exceeding Archer's limitations as a human are almost a practical no brainer




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    I dunno, I think because UBW and HF Shirou got such huge headstarts, they won't quite wear out their DNA in their lifetimes, looking more like Shirou than Archer. I think this is most true for UBW Shirou because he got the RM at age 16, long before Archer did the same.
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    Really, all 3 of the romances in F/SN are 'for want of a nail' kind of situations.
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    You mean because Shirou winds up falling for the first of the three that he Nailed?
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    I dunno why rin gets so much flack for actually being an equal partner in the routei mean, donít get me wrong, seibah foí life and all, but seriouslysaber ends up doing the lionís share of the work so itís not really an equal partnership, and Sakura was damsel in distress, UBW is the only one where you have two people who use their strengths and shared feelings to compliment and overcome each otherís Weaknesses to achieve their goals, and for some reason that makes rin less of a heroine?dah fuck is that logic?!

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    ^They also had a tracing coach in Archer or his arm, unlike Archer himself who went into it blind and thus probably more prone to injuring himself doing it wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirGauoftheSquareTable View Post
    I dunno, I think because UBW and HF Shirou got such huge headstarts, they won't quite wear out their DNA in their lifetimes, looking more like Shirou than Archer. I think this is most true for UBW Shirou because he got the RM at age 16, long before Archer did the same.
    I kind of assumed that how far along in power they were didnt really matter,as long as they kept on using their powers into young adult hood over years and years, being a side effect of the projection magic itself in his body over time rather than misuse

    (since Rin in the VN says that even just using projection on the level he uses it is something that humans absolutely should not do and will give him far reaching consequences as a result)

    Since Archer died in his 30s, we can assume that it only takes about a decade at the earliest. https://randomc.net/image/Fate%20sta...Large%2009.jpg

    And since he did have his discoloration a while before that time, and Playable Archer in CCC already had said discoloration in his late 20s when he was a contractual sniper, that would kind of narrow it down a bit.

    In regards to HF, i think its far more likely than the other routes that he would stay the same due to that not even being his real body in the first place..
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    I made the exact opposite assumption and thought that the years Archer took to properly "learn" Projection Magic, as well as his numerous bad habits, led to the discoloration. Considering this conversation, I think UBW Shirou might be spared until maybe his 40s or 50s.
    Quote Originally Posted by Deathhappens View Post
    Really, all 3 of the romances in F/SN are 'for want of a nail' kind of situations.
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    You mean because Shirou winds up falling for the first of the three that he Nailed?
    Quote Originally Posted by Tobias View Post
    I dunno why rin gets so much flack for actually being an equal partner in the routei mean, donít get me wrong, seibah foí life and all, but seriouslysaber ends up doing the lionís share of the work so itís not really an equal partnership, and Sakura was damsel in distress, UBW is the only one where you have two people who use their strengths and shared feelings to compliment and overcome each otherís Weaknesses to achieve their goals, and for some reason that makes rin less of a heroine?dah fuck is that logic?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inuhanyou View Post
    I kind of assumed that how far along in power they were didnt really matter,as long as they kept on using their powers into young adult hood over years and years, being a side effect of the projection magic itself in his body over time rather than misuse

    (since Rin in the VN says that even just using projection on the level he uses it is something that humans absolutely should not do and will give him far reaching consequences as a result)
    If you mean the lecture in the Fate route that was just a “Rin don’t know shit” moment where she freaked out about him projecting something with more magical energy than himself which would be bad if he didn’t have a reality marble (he does)

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    Do we have a date as to when the next Lostbelt Chapter begins?

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