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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobo View Post
    Case Files vol. 7 explains that
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    Her name spread through Europe and assimilate many local legends of fairies, witches and even earth goddesses. Thats why the name "Morgan Le Fay" appears in so many legends. Waver even mentions the theory that Morgan and the celtic goddess of death The Morrigan were once one and the same and either Morgan derived from her or her legends were assimilated. Its also mention how there is a contradiction in the legends about how Morgan planned a coup d'etat against Arthur but when they died, Morgan was one of the fairies that carried their body to Avalon promising the return of the one and forever king.
    Other examples we have in GO are Caesar's profile reference to the legend were he slept with Morgan and their child was Faerie King Oberon or the good witch Logistilla that gave Astolfo the book, she was supossed to be a sister of Morgan.
    Along that exposition, Waver mentioned the existence of Christian Saints that were born through the same process of assimilation
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    So it's not that Morgan was a fairy in life, but that she became one as a HS because of association with legends of fairies? Because I thought she was supposed to be an evil fairy counterpart to the Lady of the Lake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reign View Post
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    So it's not that Morgan was a fairy in life, but that she became one as a HS because of association with legends of fairies? Because I thought she was supposed to be an evil fairy counterpart to the Lady of the Lake.
    She may have been one, but we don't know because HS Morgan has many other legends in her

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    Is Ea the only thing that Shirou can't replicate and/or examine? Or are there other things?
    Likes attention, shiny objects, and... a ball of yarn?

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    That makes me think of Rin as a loan shark.
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    Admittedly, she'd probably be the hottest loan shark you'll ever meet. She'd probably make you smile as she sucked you dry.


    Oh dear, that doesn't sound like yuri at all.
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    There are a couple of things Shirou can't copy but examine I think Ea is the only example we got so far
    "Only in my company, will you not be a monster"


    anywhere than here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mizukume View Post
    Go to the wiki for example. And look at how many conceptual weapons that are not weapons in the list. The kanji for 武装 can be used for weapons, armaments and tools for war, not just strictly weapons. It's more in the line of them using concepts as the method of attacking imo.

    You don't have to wait. Tamamo's mirror is the bunrei of Yata Mirror which is the divine body of Amaterasu that acts as the object of worship which hosts the soul of the goddess and can be considered the goddess's manifestation in the material world that is a divine treasure brought to earth and is also a Noble Phantasm.

    1-ok, so, objects with conceptual abilities. not conceptual beings in general.

    2- did Nasu ever state that anywhere? sure that is how the myth is, but that doesnt necessarily need to be how Nasu is inserting it into his stories and may not choose to give it that level of depth, so i will wait for in-story mentions of that or his direct confirmation

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    Quote Originally Posted by fire_mountain_30 View Post
    2- did Nasu ever state that anywhere? sure that is how the myth is, but that doesnt necessarily need to be how Nasu is inserting it into his stories and may not choose to give it that level of depth, so i will wait for in-story mentions of that or his direct confirmation
    He did. In the Fate/Extra material book, especially the bunrei part. He was even so in the troll mood he said "oh btw the okuninushi who enshrined the mirror is like a god among gods (not even in the RL myth lmfao) but lul it's just a tease for now that's all u nerds need to know atm". Typical Nasu.
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    So what I get from all this is that the only real criterion about whether something is a conceptual weapon is whether Word of God says it's a conceptual weapon.

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    even if it fulfills all the criteria, apparently

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mizukume View Post
    He did. In the Fate/Extra material book, especially the bunrei part. He was even so in the troll mood he said "oh btw the okuninushi who enshrined the mirror is like a god among gods (not even in the RL myth lmfao) but lul it's just a tease for now that's all u nerds need to know atm". Typical Nasu.
    "troll" nasu needs to die.

    what happened to "hard work" nasu that woukd give us tsukihime 2?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoydGolden View Post
    Isn't that because he's not... you know, a weapon?


    Pictured: A Conceptual Weapon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arashi_Leonhart View Post


    Pictured: A Conceptual Weapon
    Pretty sure that much cuteness qualifies her as a weapon, actually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arashi_Leonhart View Post


    Pictured: A Conceptual Weapon
    is that from Ciel's weapon? come on now. that is the spirit attached to one, not the full weapon itself.

    unless it isnt Ciel's

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    Hmmm.

    A horse who is also a gun.
    Likes attention, shiny objects, and... a ball of yarn?

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    That makes me think of Rin as a loan shark.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hymn of Ragnarok View Post
    Admittedly, she'd probably be the hottest loan shark you'll ever meet. She'd probably make you smile as she sucked you dry.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Techlet View Post
    Not with that attitude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fire_mountain_30 View Post
    is that from Ciel's weapon? come on now. that is the spirit attached to one, not the full weapon itself.
    ...I think you fail to understand what the weapon is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fire_mountain_30 View Post
    even if it fulfills all the criteria, apparently

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    "troll" nasu needs to die.

    what happened to "hard work" nasu that woukd give us tsukihime 2?
    I literally just woke up so maybe this won’t make any sense to me later but I guess the distinction of a true conceptual weapon is that the attack IS the concept and it doesn’t just attack USING a concept. Like, Gae Bolg uses the concept of causality reversal to stab you, while Black Barrel attacks you by directly infecting you with the concept of “limited lifespan”

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    Quote Originally Posted by fire_mountain_30 View Post
    even if it fulfills all the criteria, apparently

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    "troll" nasu needs to die.

    what happened to "hard work" nasu that woukd give us tsukihime 2?
    that was troll nasu too sorry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcjon01 View Post
    I literally just woke up so maybe this won’t make any sense to me later but I guess the distinction of a true conceptual weapon is that the attack IS the concept and it doesn’t just attack USING a concept. Like, Gae Bolg uses the concept of causality reversal to stab you, while Black Barrel attacks you by directly infecting you with the concept of “limited lifespan”
    So how does that apply to defensive conceptual weapons like Rho Aias or Avalon?

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    Clearly it attacks the attack with the more powerful concept of “Can’t touch this”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcjon01 View Post
    Clearly it attacks the attack with the more powerful concept of “Can’t touch this”
    I guess I can't argue with that.

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