But you can add Shirou to Avenger, thus avenger would be affected. Because 0 + 1 = 1
I KNOW MATHS
But you can add Shirou to Avenger, thus avenger would be affected. Because 0 + 1 = 1
I KNOW MATHS
You are right.
Avenger is affected. He ended up still love mankind for the sparks of kindness.
So Angraman is possible!? FUCK YES!!!
He would still love killing people, but he would love you more than before while killing you...?
I never really got the concept of why Avenger is 0. Isn't the Reality Marble chant decided by your personality. Avenger isn't 0 in terms of personlity, he does have a personility. Thus if Avenger's personlity affects Shirou's personility than won't the chant be different?
The chant is just for self-hyponosis, it doesn't reflect much.
If the Batman theme song gets Shirou into the desired state, then the Batman theme song it would be.
Isn't the chant suppose to reflect the user's ideals and mentaility. That's why Archer's and Shirou's chant is different isn't it?
The spell is for self-hypnosis.
The chant difference reflects the fact that Shirou is inferior to Archer in terms of thaumaturgy.
If you count the number of lines, Shirou's version has more lines. More lines means Shirou needs a greater amount of effort to achieve the same spell (thus a crappier magus).
So a younger cynical version of Archer?
Oh........................ where is this mentioned. Also why do Fanfic writers change the chant if changing the chant doesn't matter? Is it Rule of the Cool or is there another reason
No, that's not true.Originally Posted by food
The chant reflects the mentality of the user. The fact that Shirou needs more lines may well be a side-effect of him being a less good magus, but the difference in content is due to him having a different mentality towards life.
Because he's just pulled that statement straight out of his ass. It's not stated anywhere in canon, and that's the first time I've ever heard it.
Am confused. Can both of you cite the sources so I can decide which answer is right.
Here.
Incantations/Spells
詠唱・呪文 - Eishou/Jumon
The operation needed to run thaumaturgy.
When using a form of thaumaturgy already stabilized/established as a first-rate school, an already determined process has to be gone through. Part of that process are incantations. Procedure-wise, incantations would be the "application" part in a system of application, acceptance, examination, and issuance.
While incantations themselves are just part of the procedure in regards to execution of thaumaturgy having large systems, in the case of execution of personally-styled thaumaturgy, they have high effect as means of self-hypnosis. To turn on and run one's internal circuits effectively, incantations were created.
Incantations are chanted not to the world but to one self. The reason why incantations may vary between magi even though the spell is the same is reflective of the difference in the personality of the caster.
Those incantations that are cast at the world and not one self are "grand incantations" and fall in the category of great rituals. Use by oneself is said to be impossible.
As spells already have predetermined abilities, no matter which magus uses it, the force of the spell won't change. The only thing that differs are the incantations. The incantations of a spell are what activates the thaumaturgy inscribed in one's own body and also illustrates the nature of the magus. This is because as long as the necessary meaning/set keyword are included for that spell, the details of the incantation are up to the magus' personal tastes.
The incantations of those magi that are easily intoxicated with themselves are long. However, by adding more meaning to it, the power of the spell increases. The stronger the self-hypnosis, the better a magus can draw power from himself (probably in terms of maximizing the power of circuits). It's best to find a good balance between meaningful length (words that would enhance the mind), reduction of rhyme, and quickness of pronunciation. For Shirou, Archer's UBW incantations are the ones that are best suited for raising success rate for tracing overall. Changing the words of the incantation doesn't mean much; what really matters is the meaning behind them.
Single Actions - Requirement is to only pass energy to activate. Gandr shots and mystic eyes are single action spells. Instant spells.
One-Line - Fixing an effect within oneself, ie, Rin activating her crest to cast a One-Line spell for either removing a sigil, or for gravity adjustment and weight reduction.
Ten-Count - Instant Contract. A simple ritual. Necessary for high thaumaturgy (rank A spells or higher). Casting time is typically one minute for a fully-trained magus and 30 seconds for one with high speed incantations). Consisting of ten or more lines, which may consist of one word per-line at the bare minimum.
Archer and Shirou's incantations are over 5 lines long and are close to Ten-Count types. Probably referring specifically to the UBWs.
The majority of Caster's spells fall into the One-Line category, but speed is even faster or at least just as fast as Single Action spells (No Action) and power-level is no less than that of Five-Line spells. Also, as her spells are Divine Words, they do not fall into the normal categories and thus the conditions of Anti-Prana B, C, and D do not apply to her.
It should also be noted that despite how long Archer's UBW verses might have actually been, gamewise, the completion of the spell was VERY short.
Note that for long incantations, before the spell is actually completed, there will normally be an observable effect on the outer world (with the exception of Reality Marble incantations or any other spells that don't activate already existing "programs").
Anything longer than a Ten-Count incantation is probably considered an actual ritual.
Spells just get the caster "into the zone". You are worse if it takes you longer to get the same result as someone else.
It doesn't "reflect your mentality" per se, but it is kind of like a soliloquy of sorts.
The chant has more meaning to Shirou and Archer's life, so it's power increases. As well as the self hypnosis.
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Changing the words of the incantation doesn't mean much; what really matters is the meaning behind them.
Note "the meaning". Even if Shirou had said the same words as Archer, the meaning behind them would've been different.
Not really much in terms of power.
Alba's long-ass spell increases his spell's power. Since both Shirou and Archer are trying to deploy UBW, you can't really "add more power" there.
Oh ok. How about your source Mike?
This is the source in English (courtesy of arai), unless you want moon runes. I can get you more of those.
Well Mike aleast got his source somewhere and I am curious enough to hear it. But thanks for the source.
No, not necessarily. It could just be that you happen to pick a longer phrase to get yourself into that zone than someone else does. But, even if that's the case, it doesn't invalidate what I was saying originally.
Yes, but if it's self-hypnosis, then it stands to reason that it will "reflect your mentality", to some extent.It doesn't "reflect your mentality" per se, but it is kind of like a soliloquy of sorts.
The same, just interpreted differently....
I'm not arguing that chants aren't "self-hypnosis", but the very fact that they are means that they're going to reflect the caster's mindset, and thus will differ between Archer and Shirou (note that, IIRC, Archer chants his in English, whereas Shirou does his in Japanese).
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