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    Quote Originally Posted by Imperial View Post
    Grendel's mother was … Grendel's mother. The text doesn't get much more explicit than "monster."
    She's got monstrous traits yeah, but so does Beowulf. She's still explicitly supposed to be a descendant of Cain, though, because familial relations is one of the primary themes of the story.

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    Is the dragon supposed to be Beo's son or is that just Hollywood being Hollywood?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JetKinen View Post
    Is the dragon supposed to be Beo's son or is that just Hollywood being Hollywood?
    Neil Gaiman being Neil Gaiman (Hollywood). The idea shows up in at least one other story of his.

    The dragon was just a dragon in the original, and Grendel's mother died in her lair rather than seducing Beowulf.

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    What? Beowulf has no sons. Part of the story is how he has no heir, and the importance of sister-sons in that culture.

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    What was it like, turning into a beast and hoarding gold?
    Pretty darn awesome. Those were the times.
    Then I got stabbed.
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    I've been bouncing around ideas in my head for two different Grail War scenarios. I'm not sure which one I would like to work on or whether either will get any further than these rough outlines. I talked with Imperial about them a little, but I thought I'd post them.


    Grail War 1917
    In the latter half of 1917, a group of Magi from both the Central Powers and the Entente venture to an ancient town in the Swiss Alps to try sort out a way to expedite the war's end. The Einzbern’s, still aggravated with their failure to discover the Root in the first two Holy Grail Wars, decide to offer a method of resolving the First World War that has the added benefit of helping them out with the planning of the future Third Holy Grail War. Rules for this upcoming war are formulated, and two teams of three are constructed to face off against one another to determine the fate of the war. The Einzbern’s are careful with what they reveal and make sure that the war only has six Heroic Spirits, so that if by some chance the competing factions discovered that they could discover the Root with the sacrifice of 7 Servants, they will still be unable to do so.

    Entente:

    For the French Master, I was going with the idea that the French revolution did a lot of damage to the older magus families and most Edwardian era French Magi have very short family trees as a result. So the French Master would stand out against the backdrop of the other Master's as she would be a young woman with very few ties to the older families. She is a socialist and borderline communist, and despises the hierarchical nature of magus society in Europe. Despite being a socialist she is fairly nationalistic and hates the Germans. She clashes with her allies because of their ancient lineages. She summons the paladin Roland as Berserker.

    For the British Master, I was thinking of a young aristocratic magus who spent much of his life in India after his father passed away. He's very much an Orientalist and is absolutely fascinated with Indian culture and Hindu Mythology. He is incredibly gung-ho about the Grail War and views it as being a more gentlemanly conflict than the dreadful trench warfare of the First World War. Over the course of the war he will learn that no conflict is without its horrors. Very chauvinistic, he clashes heavily with his French counterpart because of her low born status and the fact that she is a woman. He heavily romanticizes the idea of Empire, but unlike most of his countrymen loves Indian culture to such a degree that he dearly wishes to see an amalgamation of the cultures. Of course his view of India is more than a little twisted by his lack of interaction with the oppressed masses and mostly wining and dining with the Rajas. His family has the sorcery trait Tradition Carrier that connects them to Sir Tristan, and as a result his mother wants him to use a bow string from Fail-Not to summon Tristan as his Servant. He wants to summon an Indian hero as his Servant, believing that Britain’s saving grace will be its empire. I’m split on whether it would be more interesting to have him summon Tristan or Karna as his Archer.

    For the Russian Master, I was thinking of a man in his mid-forties. He's a very entrenched part of the Russian aristocracy so he is very hesitant about the new republican government that has been in power since the February Revolution. He worries heavily about the fate of his family back in the Russian Republic and wants to end the war as quickly as possible. Despite his worry, he tries to conceal his emotions and is a very stoic individual. He has a break down when he receives word of the November Revolution and the death of his wife and daughter. He summons Dobrynya Nikitichas as Lancer.

    --

    Central Powers:

    For the German Master, I was thinking a middle aged Prussian noblewoman. She would be a hard as nails, humorless woman whose son died in the first year of the war. She is very vengeance minded to the point that it seems that it is practically the only thing that keeps her going in life. Though she is outwardly cold and harsh, she is in constant pain over the loss of her son. Unlike the Entente team, which has no clear leader, the Central Powers team is held together by the iron will of their Prussian leader. She summons Karl der Große a.k.a Charlemagne as Saber. Saber killed his brother to unite his father’s domain and knew full well that his sons would clash to try and reunite his domain after his death, so he is not surprised to see his children, the French and the Germans, still fighting for domination over Europe. He is sad that his united Europe died with him and sees the war as an opportunity to rectify the situation and bring peace to Europe. He is horrified upon seeing his friend Roland as a mindless beast. Being a very bombastic and joyful kind of man his attitude clashes with his cold and revenge minded Mistress. It doesn't help that he is a massive womanizer and hopeless flirt.

    For the Austro-Hungarian Master, I was thinking a portly older man from Budapest. Being a Magyar he has issues with the Austro-Hungarian Empire, but he is loyal to the idea of the Habsburg monarchy and hopes that when the war ends issues plaguing the ailing empire will finally be solved. He summons Attila the Hun as Rider.

    For the third Central Powers Master it’s a tossup between either an Ottoman Master or a Bulgarian Master.

    For the Ottoman Master, I was thinking of a young aged man who was a member of the Young Turks. He's very nationalistic and more than he wants to see the Central Powers win, he wants to see the Arab Revolt stamped into the dirt. He's a modernist and is fairly secular as his Turkish nationalism clashes with the very idea of Pan-Islamism. He summons the sufi mystic Ibn Arabi as Caster. Caster is of course revolted by the war and by his Master.

    The Bulgarian Master is similar to the Ottoman Master in that he is youthful and fiercely nationalistic. He comes from an ancient family line that can be traced back to the Bulgarian invasion of the Balkans. Despite its age, his family line was always a background character in someone else story. He sees this war as a chance to change that and the have his family name live forever in the history books as being an important part of something great. He summons the Gorska Maika as Caster.




    1989 American Grail War
    During the American occupation of Japan a young Magus from a fairly young family of homunculus crafters learned of the Third Grail War and seduced a nun that worked at the Church and got her to steal a fragment of the Lesser Grail. He takes the fragment and his new bride home, and nothing really comes of it until 1978 when he passes away and tells his son, Joseph Wilson, about it in his will. Joseph dreams of using the Grail to rocket his relatively young family to fame and fortune. Contacting several illustrious American Magus Families, he puts together a war and for a meager 3 million dollar entrance fee he offers them a chance to win the Holy Grail. The First American Grail War ends in colossal failure as Joseph planned on back stabbing the other participants from the very beginning and when he dies at the hands of Saber’s Master, the location of the Lesser Grail is lost with him. Ten years later the families come together again to try and succeed where they failed before.

    Lawrence Rogers, originally Lawrence O’Keeffe is a fairly weak willed young man whose parents worked for the Rogers’ family estate. A relatively recent magus family, the O’Keeffe’s acted as the household servants for the Rogers’ for two generations. When Martin Rogers died in the 1979 Grail War his mother, Donna Rogers, the matriarch of the Rogers magus line, was devastated, both by the death of her son and by the prospect that her family line might go extinct. Knowing that seven year old Lawrence was the second son of the O’Keeffe family, Donna offered to buy Lawrence from the O’Keeffe’s. Offered several hundred thousand dollars for Lawrence, they accepted. Lawrence grew up under to tutelage of Donna, who never tired of deriding him and comparing him to her dead son. The bitter woman grew increasingly unsound as time went on, and began to flirt with Lawrence and tease him sexually. Their relationship never progress to anything physical, but it very much affected the way Lawrence behaved around women. He was with Donna when she summoned Caster as her Servant. Caster casually murders Donna in front of Lawrence moments after being summoned and asks him if he’d like to be her Master. Being a powerful and sexually manipulative woman, Caster is easily equipped to take control of the Master-Servant relationship and is a domineering psuedo-mother/lover figure to Lawrence. Going beyond Donna’s teasing, Caster actually uses sex as a tool to control Lawrence.

    Harold Smith is one of two Master participating in the Second American Grail War that were not connected to the First. A forty-five year old Texan, Harold comes from a family magus line that’s only about 150 years old, but has a long history of military service. He himself served in Vietnam in a quasi-suicidal attempt to die gloriously on the battlefield. A lifelong smoker, Harold was recently diagnosed with stage four lung cancer. The cancer had spread throughout his body, to the point that not even magecraft could save him. Harold has no pretensions of actually winning the war and using the Grail to save himself. Instead, his main motivation is to die as most of the men in his family have, on the battlefield. He summons Bendigeidfran as Berserker. Berserker's very existence causes him nothing but pain, but Berserker’s NP, Pair Dadeni, keeps Harold alive despite his rapidly decaying body.

    Kurome Wilson is the daughter of Joseph Wilson, the man that orchestrated the First American Grail War. She is a piss poor magus given that her father died when she was very young and also because she has utterly shunned magecraft since then. Before her father died he burned a summoning circle onto her left shoulder so that she would finish what he started and bring their family to greatness. She goes to college in Seattle, Washington and is surprised when she receives a package from her father containing a broken sword hilt as she is leaving her apartment. Walking around campus later that evening, she witnesses the clash between Berserker and Lancer. As she is about to be killed by Berserker, she accidentally summons Charlemagne as Saber. Charlemagne, motivated similarly to the No-name assassin in Strange Fake, wants to destroy the Grail as he sees its existence as a blasphemous twisting of the chalice that held the blood of Christ. Kurome has zero desire for the Grail as it caused nothing but suffering for her the last time it appeared. She doesn't care about her father's wish, she doesn’t even want to be Saber’s Master, but she also doesn’t want to die. So she reluctantly enters the Grail War.

    Thomas Holdsworth is the only Master that survived the First American Grail War. He was hired by the Ultenburg family to participate in the war on their behalf. The Ultenburg family is an ancient linage that originally hailed from Austria, but for the past 200 years has resided in the Ipswich, Massachusetts. Though originally a great and powerful family, in the past century their magic circuits have grown increasingly weak. As with most of the other participants, the Ultenburgs don't care about the Root, they want the Grail to restore their failing Magic Circuits and save their line from extinction. Mr. Holdsworth was the last Master standing in the previous Grail War and was the Master of that war's Saber, in this war he has been relegated to being Assassin's Master. Because of the war's twisted nature because it is using a replica of the contaminated Grail, Servants that normally wouldn't be summoned can be called forth. As a result, when Holdsworth attempts to summon Nero as Saber, he instead summons the famous Roman poisoner that Nero saved from execution, Locasta, as Assassin. The two clash personality wise because he is a very dispassionate person and doesn't relish killing. Dealing in death is a job that is not to be enjoyed but to be endured. In contrast Locasta is a sadist and a sociopath and to which murder is practically a sacrament. They also clash because Assassin actively tries to make Holdsworth believe that he is not different from her and that is nothing more than a tool.

    Rider's Master is 24 year old Donald Walker. Donald was spoiled endlessly by his mother after his father died in the previous war and acts like a typical whinny, spoiled, rich kid. He is the only Master that actually cares about finding the Root. Using an old Roman coin to summon his Servant, he is surprised, and mortified, to discover that his Servant is an elderly blind Roman soldier that somehow is Rider. Rider is devoted to him, but is seemingly worthless as a Servant and Donald is incredibly rude and unkind to the old man, believing him to be less than worthless. This all changes when they are attacked in the Seattle Mall by Locasta. Harold uses a command spell to accidentally active Rider's Noble Phantasm and the blind old beggar takes on his true form. The Rider and his incompetent Master slowly develop a friendship as Harold becomes someone worthy of Rider's devotion. Caster and Rider have a strong connection to one another, because Caster was Rider’s Empress in life. Caster forced him to compromise his values and destroyed his life despite Rider’s lifelong loyalty to her husband. As a result Caster and Rider have a unique relationship in the war and loath one another.

    Martin Forester is a 67 year old magus whose reason for participating in the war is to try and use the miracle to resurrect his son, Kyle. Kyle represented their family in the last war and was the first Master to die. Martin feels personally responsible for his son's death because he pressured him to enter the war. Kyle's death has haunted Martin ever since, and shredded his relationship with his daughter-in-law and his grandchildren. He summons Archer.

    I haven’t really thought much about Lancer’s Master since Lancer gets offed by Berserker in her first appearance. I was kind of thinking about having Lancer’s Master be a younger Tokiomi Tohsaka. After the death of his Servant, Tokiomi refuses to withdraw from the War and continues to try and participate to the best of his abilities, later making a contract with Archer after his Master dies. Lancer’s identity would be Boudicca not that that really matters given that Berserker rips her in half.
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    With the lesser grail you only get Sakuras.
    You need the greater grail to summon Servants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbarossa View Post
    I've been bouncing around ideas in my head for two different Grail War scenarios. I'm not sure which one I would like to work on or whether either will get any further than these rough outlines. I talked with Imperial about them a little, but I thought I'd post them.


    Grail War 1917
    In the latter half of 1917, a group of Magi from both the Central Powers and the Entente venture to an ancient town in the Swiss Alps to try sort out a way to expedite the war's end. The Einzbern’s, still aggravated with their failure to discover the Root in the first two Holy Grail Wars, decide to offer a method of resolving the First World War that has the added benefit of helping them out with the planning of the future Third Holy Grail War. Rules for this upcoming war are formulated, and two teams of three are constructed to face off against one another to determine the fate of the war. The Einzbern’s are careful with what they reveal and make sure that the war only has six Heroic Spirits, so that if by some chance the competing factions discovered that they could discover the Root with the sacrifice of 7 Servants, they will still be unable to do so.

    Entente:

    For the French Master, I was going with the idea that the French revolution did a lot of damage to the older magus families and most Edwardian era French Magi have very short family trees as a result. So the French Master would stand out against the backdrop of the other Master's as she would be a young woman with very few ties to the older families. She is a socialist and borderline communist, and despises the hierarchical nature of magus society in Europe. Despite being a socialist she is fairly nationalistic and hates the Germans. She clashes with her allies because of their ancient lineages. She summons the paladin Roland as Berserker.

    For the British Master, I was thinking of a young aristocratic magus who spent much of his life in India after his father passed away. He's very much an Orientalist and is absolutely fascinated with Indian culture and Hindu Mythology. He is incredibly gung-ho about the Grail War and views it as being a more gentlemanly conflict than the dreadful trench warfare of the First World War. Over the course of the war he will learn that no conflict is without its horrors. Very chauvinistic, he clashes heavily with his French counterpart because of her low born status and the fact that she is a woman. He heavily romanticizes the idea of Empire, but unlike most of his countrymen loves Indian culture to such a degree that he dearly wishes to see an amalgamation of the cultures. Of course his view of India is more than a little twisted by his lack of interaction with the oppressed masses and mostly wining and dining with the Rajas. His family is has the sorcery trait Tradition Carrier that connects them to Sir Tristan, and as a result his mother wants him to use a bow string from Fail-Not to summon Tristan as his Servant. He wants to summon an Indian hero as his Servant, believing that Britain’s saving grace will be its empire. I’m split on whether it would be more interesting to have him summon Tristan or Karna as his Archer.

    For the Russian Master, I was thinking of a man in his mid-forties. He's a very entrenched part of the Russian aristocracy so he is very hesitant about the new republican government that has been in power since the February Revolution. He worries heavily about the fate of his family back in the Russian Republic and wants to end the war as quickly as possible. Despite his worry, he tries to conceal his emotions and is a very stoic individual. He has a break down when he receives word of the November Revolution and the death of his wife and daughter. He summons Dobrynya Nikitichas Lancer.

    --

    Central Powers:

    For the German Master, I was thinking a middle aged Prussian noblewoman. She would be a hard as nails, humorless woman whose son died in the first year of the war. She is very vengeance minded to the point that it seems that it is practically the only thing that keeps her going in life. Though she is outwardly cold and harsh, she is in constant pain over the loss of her son. Unlike the Entente team, which has no clear leader, the Central Powers team is held together by the iron will of their Prussian leader. She summons Karl der Große a.k.a Charlemagne as Saber. Saber killed his brother to unite his father’s domain and knew full well that his son’s would clash to try and reunite his domain after his death, so he is not surprised to see his children, the French and the Germans, still fighting for domination over Europe. He is sad that his united Europe died with him and sees the war as an opportunity to rectify the situation and bring peace to Europe. He is horrified upon seeing his friend Roland as a mindless beast. Being a very bombastic and joyful kind of man his attitude clashes with his cold and revenge minded Mistress. It doesn't help that he is a massive womanizer and hopeless flirt.

    For the Austro-Hungarian Master, I was thinking a portly older man from Budapest. Being a Magyar he has issues with the Austro-Hungarian Empire, but he is loyal to the idea of the Habsburg monarchy and hopes that when the war ends issues plaguing the ailing empire will finally be solved. He summons Attila the Hun as Rider.

    For the third Central Powers Master it’s a tossup between either an Ottoman Master or a Bulgarian Master.

    For the Ottoman Master, I was thinking of a young aged man who was a member of the Young Turks. He's very nationalistic and more than he wants to see the Central Powers win, he wants to see the Arab Revolt stamped into the dirt. He's a modernist and is fairly secular as his Turkish nationalism clashes with the very idea of Pan-Islamism. He summons the sufi mystic Ibn Arabi as Caster. Caster is of course revolted by the war and by his Master.

    The Bulgarian Master is similar to the Ottoman Master in that he is youthful and fiercely nationalistic. He comes from an ancient family line that can be traced back to the Bulgarian invasion of the Balkans. Despite its age, his family line was always a background character in someone else story. He sees this war as a chance to change that and the have his family name live forever in the history books as being an important part of something great. He summons the Gorska Maika as Caster.




    1989 American Grail War
    During the American occupation of Japan a young Magus from a fairly young family of homunculus crafters learned of the Third Grail War and seduced a nun that worked at the Church and got her to steal a fragment of the Lesser Grail. He takes the fragment and his new bride home, and nothing really comes of it until 1978 when he passes away and tells his son, Joseph Wilson, about it in his will. Joseph dreams of using the Grail to rocket his relatively young family to fame and fortune. Contacting several illustrious American Magus Families, he puts together a war and for a meager 3 million dollar entrance fee he offers them a chance to win the Holy Grail. The First American Grail War ends in colossal failure as Joseph planned on back stabbing the other participants from the very beginning and when he dies at the hands of Saber’s Master, the location of the Lesser Grail is lost with him. Ten years later the families come together again to try and succeed where they failed before.

    Lawrence Rogers, originally Lawrence O’Keeffe is a fairly weak willed young man whose parents worked for the Rogers’ family estate. A relatively recent magus family, the O’Keeffe’s acted as the household servants for the Rogers’ for two generations. When Martin Rogers died in the 1979 Grail War his mother, Donna Rogers, the matriarch of the Rogers magus line, was devastated, both by the death of her son and by the prospect that her family line might go extinct. Knowing that seven year old Lawrence was the second son of the O’Keeffe family, Donna offered to buy Lawrence from the O’Keeffe’s. Offered several hundred thousand dollars for Lawrence, they accepted. Lawrence grew up under to tutelage of Donna, who never tired of deriding him and comparing him to her dead son. The bitter woman grew increasingly unsound as time went on, and began to flirt with Lawrence and tease him sexually. Their relationship never progress to anything physical, but it very much affected the way Lawrence behaved around women. He was with Donna when she summoned Caster as her Servant. Caster casually murders Donna in front of Lawrence moments after being summoned and asks him if he’d like to be her Master. Being a powerful and sexually manipulative woman, Caster is easily equipped to take control of the Master-Servant relationship and is a domineering psuedo-mother/lover figure to Lawrence. Going beyond Donna’s teasing, Caster actually uses sex as a tool to control Lawrence.

    Harold Smith is one of two Master participating in the Second American Grail War that were not connected to the First. A forty-five year old Texan, Harold comes from a family magus line that’s only about 150 years old, but has a long history of military service. He himself served in Vietnam in a quasi-suicidal attempt to die gloriously on the battlefield. A lifelong smoker, Harold was recently diagnosed with stage four lung cancer. The cancer had spread throughout his body, to the point that not even magecraft could save him. Harold has no pretensions of actually winning the war and using the Grail to save himself. Instead, his main motivation is to die as most of the men in his family have, on the battlefield. He summons Bendigeidfran as Berserker. Berserker's very existence causes him nothing but pain, but Berserker’s NP, Pair Dadeni, keeps Harold alive despite his rapidly decaying body.

    Kurome Wilson is the daughter of Joseph Wilson, the man that orchestrated the First American Grail War. She is a piss poor magus given that her father died when she was very young and also because she has utterly shunned magecraft since then. Before her father died he burned a summoning circle onto her left shoulder so that she would finish what he started and bring their family to greatness. She goes to college in Seattle, Washington and is surprised when she receives a package from her father containing a broken sword hilt as she is leaving her apartment. Walking around campus later that evening, she witnesses the clash between Berserker and Lancer. As she is about to be killed by Berserker, she accidentally summons Charlemagne as Saber. Charlemagne, motivated similarly to the No-name assassin in Strange Fake, wants to destroy the Grail as he sees its existence as a blasphemous twisting of the chalice that held the blood of Christ. Kurome has zero desire for the Grail as it caused nothing but suffering for her the last time it appeared. She doesn't care about her father's wish, she doesn’t even want to be Saber’s Master, but she also doesn’t want to die. So she reluctantly enters the Grail War.

    Thomas Holdsworth is the only Master that survived the First American Grail War. He was hired by the Ultenburg family to participate in the war on their behalf. The Ultenburg family is an ancient linage that originally hailed from Austria, but for the past 200 years has resided in the Ipswich, Massachusetts. Though originally a great and powerful family, in the past century their magic circuits have grown increasingly weak. As with most of the other participants, the Ultenburgs don't care about the Root, they want the Grail to restore their failing Magic Circuits and save their line from extinction. Mr. Holdsworth was the last Master standing in the previous Grail War and was the Master of that war's Saber, in this war he has been relegated to being Assassin's Master. Because of the war's twisted nature because it is using a replica of the contaminated Grail, Servants that normally wouldn't be summoned can be called forth. As a result, when Holdsworth attempts to summon Nero as Saber, he instead summons the famous Roman poisoner that Nero saved from execution, Locasta, as Assassin. The two clash personality wise because he is a very dispassionate person and doesn't relish killing. Dealing in death is a job, not to be enjoyed but to be endured. In contrast Locasta is a sadist and a sociopath and relishes in murder. They also clash because Assassin actively tries to make Holdsworth is not different from her and that is nothing more than a tool.

    Rider's Master is 24 year old Donald Walker. Donald was spoiled endlessly by his mother after his father died in the previous war and acts like a typical whinny, spoiled, rich kid. He is the only Master that actually cares about finding the Root. Using an old Roman coin to summon his Servant he is surprised, and mortified, to discover that his Servant is an elderly blind Roman soldier that somehow is Rider. Rider is devoted to him, but is seemingly worthless as a Servant and Donald is incredibly rude and unkind to the old man, believing him to be less than worthless. This all changes when they are attacked in the Seattle Mall by Locasta. Harold uses a command spell to accidentally active Rider's Noble Phantasm and the blind old beggar takes on his true form. The loyal Roman general and his incompetent Master slowly develop a friendship as Harold becomes someone worthy of the devotion of Rider's devotion. Caster and Rider have a strong connection to one another, because Caster was Rider’s Empress in life. Caster forced him to compromise his values and destroyed his life despite Rider’s lifelong loyalty to her husband. As a result Caster and Rider have a unique relationship in the war and loath one another.

    Martin Forester is a 67 year old magus whose reason for participating in the war is to try and use the miracle to resurrect his son, Kyle. Kyle represented their family in the last war and was the first Master to die. Martin feels personally responsible for his son's death because he pressured him to enter the war. Kyle's death has haunted Martin ever since, and shredded his relationship with his daughter-in-law and his grandchildren. He summons Archer.

    I haven’t really thought much about Lancer’s Master since Lancer gets offed by Berserker in her first appearance. I was kind of thinking about having Lancer’s Master be a younger Tokiomi Tohsaka. After the death of his Servant, Tokiomi refuses to withdraw from the War and continues to try and participate to the best of his abilities, later making a contract with Archer after his Master dies. Lancer’s identity would be Boudicca not that that really matters given that Berserker rips her in half.
    You should read MPII.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Five_X View Post
    You should read MPII.
    Maybe you should change your title to this instead of the moonrunes....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mattias View Post
    Maybe you should change your title to this instead of the moonrunes....
    Sadly Lucina, while amazing, has nothing to do with MPII, so I must veto this proposal for now.
    <NEW FIC!> Revolution #9: Somewhere out there, there's a universe in which your mistakes and failures never happened, and all you wished for is true. How hard would you fight to make that real?

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    You should read MPII.
    I started reading it a bit ago, but then I decided to stop because I didn't want to subconsciously steal any of your ideas.

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    With stories like Fate Revelation Online and Log Horizon, I wonder how the mundane people are taught about Thaumaturgy. I can't help but imagine the teachers getting a massive headache having to deal a sudden influx of newcomers and to explain the lore and know-how so that everybody won't kill themselves in the process or still believing that their current situation is like the web-novels they read about being trapped in the wizarding world.

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    I'm not sure this is the best thread for that line of thought, shikyo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbarossa View Post
    I've been bouncing around ideas in my head for two different Grail War scenarios. I'm not sure which one I would like to work on or whether either will get any further than these rough outlines. I talked with Imperial about them a little, but I thought I'd post them.
    Grail War 1917
    In the latter half of 1917, a group of Magi from both the Central Powers and the Entente venture to an ancient town in the Swiss Alps to try sort out a way to expedite the war's end. The Einzbern’s, still aggravated with their failure to discover the Root in the first two Holy Grail Wars, decide to offer a method of resolving the First World War that has the added benefit of helping them out with the planning of the future Third Holy Grail War. Rules for this upcoming war are formulated, and two teams of three are constructed to face off against one another to determine the fate of the war. The Einzbern’s are careful with what they reveal and make sure that the war only has six Heroic Spirits, so that if by some chance the competing factions discovered that they could discover the Root with the sacrifice of 7 Servants, they will still be unable to do so. Entente:For the French Master, I was going with the idea that the French revolution did a lot of damage to the older magus families and most Edwardian era French Magi have very short family trees as a result. So the French Master would stand out against the backdrop of the other Master's as she would be a young woman with very few ties to the older families. She is a socialist and borderline communist, and despises the hierarchical nature of magus society in Europe. Despite being a socialist she is fairly nationalistic and hates the Germans. She clashes with her allies because of their ancient lineages. She summons the paladin Roland as Berserker. For the British Master, I was thinking of a young aristocratic magus who spent much of his life in India after his father passed away. He's very much an Orientalist and is absolutely fascinated with Indian culture and Hindu Mythology. He is incredibly gung-ho about the Grail War and views it as being a more gentlemanly conflict than the dreadful trench warfare of the First World War. Over the course of the war he will learn that no conflict is without its horrors. Very chauvinistic, he clashes heavily with his French counterpart because of her low born status and the fact that she is a woman. He heavily romanticizes the idea of Empire, but unlike most of his countrymen loves Indian culture to such a degree that he dearly wishes to see an amalgamation of the cultures. Of course his view of India is more than a little twisted by his lack of interaction with the oppressed masses and mostly wining and dining with the Rajas. His family has the sorcery trait Tradition Carrier that connects them to Sir Tristan, and as a result his mother wants him to use a bow string from Fail-Not to summon Tristan as his Servant. He wants to summon an Indian hero as his Servant, believing that Britain’s saving grace will be its empire. I’m split on whether it would be more interesting to have him summon Tristan or Karna as his Archer. For the Russian Master, I was thinking of a man in his mid-forties. He's a very entrenched part of the Russian aristocracy so he is very hesitant about the new republican government that has been in power since the February Revolution. He worries heavily about the fate of his family back in the Russian Republic and wants to end the war as quickly as possible. Despite his worry, he tries to conceal his emotions and is a very stoic individual. He has a break down when he receives word of the November Revolution and the death of his wife and daughter. He summons Dobrynya Nikitichas as Lancer. -- Central Powers: For the German Master, I was thinking a middle aged Prussian noblewoman. She would be a hard as nails, humorless woman whose son died in the first year of the war. She is very vengeance minded to the point that it seems that it is practically the only thing that keeps her going in life. Though she is outwardly cold and harsh, she is in constant pain over the loss of her son. Unlike the Entente team, which has no clear leader, the Central Powers team is held together by the iron will of their Prussian leader. She summons Karl der Große a.k.a Charlemagne as Saber. Saber killed his brother to unite his father’s domain and knew full well that his sons would clash to try and reunite his domain after his death, so he is not surprised to see his children, the French and the Germans, still fighting for domination over Europe. He is sad that his united Europe died with him and sees the war as an opportunity to rectify the situation and bring peace to Europe. He is horrified upon seeing his friend Roland as a mindless beast. Being a very bombastic and joyful kind of man his attitude clashes with his cold and revenge minded Mistress. It doesn't help that he is a massive womanizer and hopeless flirt. For the Austro-Hungarian Master, I was thinking a portly older man from Budapest. Being a Magyar he has issues with the Austro-Hungarian Empire, but he is loyal to the idea of the Habsburg monarchy and hopes that when the war ends issues plaguing the ailing empire will finally be solved. He summons Attila the Hun as Rider. For the third Central Powers Master it’s a tossup between either an Ottoman Master or a Bulgarian Master.For the Ottoman Master, I was thinking of a young aged man who was a member of the Young Turks. He's very nationalistic and more than he wants to see the Central Powers win, he wants to see the Arab Revolt stamped into the dirt. He's a modernist and is fairly secular as his Turkish nationalism clashes with the very idea of Pan-Islamism. He summons the sufi mystic Ibn Arabi as Caster. Caster is of course revolted by the war and by his Master. The Bulgarian Master is similar to the Ottoman Master in that he is youthful and fiercely nationalistic. He comes from an ancient family line that can be traced back to the Bulgarian invasion of the Balkans. Despite its age, his family line was always a background character in someone else story. He sees this war as a chance to change that and the have his family name live forever in the history books as being an important part of something great. He summons the Gorska Maika as Caster.
    1989 American Grail War
    During the American occupation of Japan a young Magus from a fairly young family of homunculus crafters learned of the Third Grail War and seduced a nun that worked at the Church and got her to steal a fragment of the Lesser Grail. He takes the fragment and his new bride home, and nothing really comes of it until 1978 when he passes away and tells his son, Joseph Wilson, about it in his will. Joseph dreams of using the Grail to rocket his relatively young family to fame and fortune. Contacting several illustrious American Magus Families, he puts together a war and for a meager 3 million dollar entrance fee he offers them a chance to win the Holy Grail. The First American Grail War ends in colossal failure as Joseph planned on back stabbing the other participants from the very beginning and when he dies at the hands of Saber’s Master, the location of the Lesser Grail is lost with him. Ten years later the families come together again to try and succeed where they failed before. Lawrence Rogers, originally Lawrence O’Keeffe is a fairly weak willed young man whose parents worked for the Rogers’ family estate. A relatively recent magus family, the O’Keeffe’s acted as the household servants for the Rogers’ for two generations. When Martin Rogers died in the 1979 Grail War his mother, Donna Rogers, the matriarch of the Rogers magus line, was devastated, both by the death of her son and by the prospect that her family line might go extinct. Knowing that seven year old Lawrence was the second son of the O’Keeffe family, Donna offered to buy Lawrence from the O’Keeffe’s. Offered several hundred thousand dollars for Lawrence, they accepted. Lawrence grew up under to tutelage of Donna, who never tired of deriding him and comparing him to her dead son. The bitter woman grew increasingly unsound as time went on, and began to flirt with Lawrence and tease him sexually. Their relationship never progress to anything physical, but it very much affected the way Lawrence behaved around women. He was with Donna when she summoned Caster as her Servant. Caster casually murders Donna in front of Lawrence moments after being summoned and asks him if he’d like to be her Master. Being a powerful and sexually manipulative woman, Caster is easily equipped to take control of the Master-Servant relationship and is a domineering psuedo-mother/lover figure to Lawrence. Going beyond Donna’s teasing, Caster actually uses sex as a tool to control Lawrence. Harold Smith is one of two Master participating in the Second American Grail War that were not connected to the First. A forty-five year old Texan, Harold comes from a family magus line that’s only about 150 years old, but has a long history of military service. He himself served in Vietnam in a quasi-suicidal attempt to die gloriously on the battlefield. A lifelong smoker, Harold was recently diagnosed with stage four lung cancer. The cancer had spread throughout his body, to the point that not even magecraft could save him. Harold has no pretensions of actually winning the war and using the Grail to save himself. Instead, his main motivation is to die as most of the men in his family have, on the battlefield. He summons Bendigeidfran as Berserker. Berserker's very existence causes him nothing but pain, but Berserker’s NP, Pair Dadeni, keeps Harold alive despite his rapidly decaying body. Kurome Wilson is the daughter of Joseph Wilson, the man that orchestrated the First American Grail War. She is a piss poor magus given that her father died when she was very young and also because she has utterly shunned magecraft since then. Before her father died he burned a summoning circle onto her left shoulder so that she would finish what he started and bring their family to greatness. She goes to college in Seattle, Washington and is surprised when she receives a package from her father containing a broken sword hilt as she is leaving her apartment. Walking around campus later that evening, she witnesses the clash between Berserker and Lancer. As she is about to be killed by Berserker, she accidentally summons Charlemagne as Saber. Charlemagne, motivated similarly to the No-name assassin in Strange Fake, wants to destroy the Grail as he sees its existence as a blasphemous twisting of the chalice that held the blood of Christ. Kurome has zero desire for the Grail as it caused nothing but suffering for her the last time it appeared. She doesn't care about her father's wish, she doesn’t even want to be Saber’s Master, but she also doesn’t want to die. So she reluctantly enters the Grail War. Thomas Holdsworth is the only Master that survived the First American Grail War. He was hired by the Ultenburg family to participate in the war on their behalf. The Ultenburg family is an ancient linage that originally hailed from Austria, but for the past 200 years has resided in the Ipswich, Massachusetts. Though originally a great and powerful family, in the past century their magic circuits have grown increasingly weak. As with most of the other participants, the Ultenburgs don't care about the Root, they want the Grail to restore their failing Magic Circuits and save their line from extinction. Mr. Holdsworth was the last Master standing in the previous Grail War and was the Master of that war's Saber, in this war he has been relegated to being Assassin's Master. Because of the war's twisted nature because it is using a replica of the contaminated Grail, Servants that normally wouldn't be summoned can be called forth. As a result, when Holdsworth attempts to summon Nero as Saber, he instead summons the famous Roman poisoner that Nero saved from execution, Locasta, as Assassin. The two clash personality wise because he is a very dispassionate person and doesn't relish killing. Dealing in death is a job, not to be enjoyed but to be endured. In contrast Locasta is a sadist and a sociopath and relishes in murder. They also clash because Assassin actively tries to make Holdsworth is not different from her and that is nothing more than a tool. Rider's Master is 24 year old Donald Walker. Donald was spoiled endlessly by his mother after his father died in the previous war and acts like a typical whinny, spoiled, rich kid. He is the only Master that actually cares about finding the Root. Using an old Roman coin to summon his Servant he is surprised, and mortified, to discover that his Servant is an elderly blind Roman soldier that somehow is Rider. Rider is devoted to him, but is seemingly worthless as a Servant and Donald is incredibly rude and unkind to the old man, believing him to be less than worthless. This all changes when they are attacked in the Seattle Mall by Locasta. Harold uses a command spell to accidentally active Rider's Noble Phantasm and the blind old beggar takes on his true form. The loyal Roman general and his incompetent Master slowly develop a friendship as Harold becomes someone worthy of the devotion of Rider's devotion. Caster and Rider have a strong connection to one another, because Caster was Rider’s Empress in life. Caster forced him to compromise his values and destroyed his life despite Rider’s lifelong loyalty to her husband. As a result Caster and Rider have a unique relationship in the war and loath one another. Martin Forester is a 67 year old magus whose reason for participating in the war is to try and use the miracle to resurrect his son, Kyle. Kyle represented their family in the last war and was the first Master to die. Martin feels personally responsible for his son's death because he pressured him to enter the war. Kyle's death has haunted Martin ever since, and shredded his relationship with his daughter-in-law and his grandchildren. He summons Archer. I haven’t really thought much about Lancer’s Master since Lancer gets offed by Berserker in her first appearance. I was kind of thinking about having Lancer’s Master be a younger Tokiomi Tohsaka. After the death of his Servant, Tokiomi refuses to withdraw from the War and continues to try and participate to the best of his abilities, later making a contract with Archer after his Master dies. Lancer’s identity would be Boudicca not that that really matters given that Berserker rips her in half.
    It's good see these in the light of day. I can see they've been tuned a little bit, but the gist is still the same, as is my reaction.

    They both sounds like they would be fantastic, but the 1917 war edges out the American copy for the history porn and the team aspect. That's not as common as the X Grail War in Y Other City. But even that doesn't make the American idea awful.

    The mistake that so many Sixth Grail War or Foreign Grail War stories make is that they're a hollow copy of the premise. Anyone not named Shirou, Rin or Sakura is a placeholder name who only exists to summon one of the six boss monsters for the author's pet Servant to beat up. There's no real thematic continuity or greater meaning to any of them other than 'hey, wouldn't it be cool if my pet Servant kicked the crap out of Achilles/Guan Yu/Samson/etc.' The American pitch, on the other hand, shows a lot of consideration for a wide breadth of characters and how the Servants play off of their Masters, which is a hallmark of the series, and how the Servants would play off of each other like Rider and Caster.

    All of which is a long-winded way of saying that the familiar fanfic idea you have isn't made awful by being familiar. It's made awful by being lazy, and you've already put enough thought into it that I couldn't possibly accuse you of that.

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    Here's one for you: Shirou x Saber and Sieg x Jeanne double-date with Illya and Mordred working in the shadows to crash the party, and Astolfo, even deeper in the shadows, foiling their plan.


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    You forgot the pink hair is Jeanne's greatest nemesis, so he would be the ultimate mastermind in his nepharious plan to seize Sieg's heart.

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    Then the loli whore comes along and ruins everything.

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    Nah, they just all stomp the loli on instinct, the disdain uniting them all in spite of their differences.

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    It's like Christmas, except much more bloody and violent.

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    Why the Illya bashing? Seriously in bad taste.
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