So where does the Jewel Sword get it's prana from then? A possibility?
So where does the Jewel Sword get it's prana from then? A possibility?
[04:55] Lianru: i3uster is actuallly quite cute
nah, at least, I dont think so. its not to say that there isnt multiple dimensions, merely that its not a case where every possibility is occuring somewhere in the multiverse.
Originally Posted by Bird of Hermes
Correct.
Or to summarize, until there's an actual observer (such as Zeltretch), all three routes are equally valid. However, once there is an observer, the wavelength collapses or something. To once again quote myself, it rather reminds me of Schrodiner's cat thought experiment.
Namely, let's say these three routes are all have equally likely chances of occuring. But without actually observing the timeline yourself, you can't say which route has occured, and thus all three routes exist in potentia or something. However, once you actually observe the timeline, you can see for yourself which route occured, meaning you can eliminate the other routes that didn't occur. Or something. I dunno, I'm not a quantum physcist.
<Satehi> I, satehi, thought of tentacles first for entirely inappropriate, disgusting, lewd and perverted reasons
Honk
being the pertinent quote, if you are curious. if one route has occurred/is occurring, the other routes arent. I hesitate to even post it because its a huge can of worms, but for the discussion at hand its relevant.Q: Are the three routes of "Fate/stay night" parallel worlds existing at the same time? I was curious since I was how it would look to Zelretch.
A: They're parallel sort of. But if Zelretch was observing, it'd become true, and my feelings on the matter is that I'd rather two routes disappear if one was true.
If all of these became possible at the same time, the other routes would become meaningless.
No, it's a result of assuming that particles are point objects when they are actually waves.
In itself, the Uncertainty Principle does not actually cause any "uncertainty", because the nature of the electron itself is still perfectly defined by the wavefunction. The only source of true uncertainty in QM is measurement, and the wave function collapse that results from it. The Uncertainty Principle has nothing to do with it.
Although, Nasu has said that, if any one route were "observed", the others would cease to exist, so....
It's not. It's a statement of the fact that particles are actually "waves", and waves do not have well-defined "positions" in the way that point particles do. QM does show that the universe is unpredictable, but only when you try to measure it. As long as it is not measured, it evolves entirely deterministically, because the Schrodinger Equation (and equivalents) are entirely deterministic in nature.
This is usually true, but it has been shown that, even when it is possible to measure the particle-like effects of a particle without disturbing it sufficiently, the wave-like effects still go away.
But how does that fit with the idea of universes "diverging" from each other, as they clearly do in FSN?
Which is, I think, what CG is trying to get at, albeit badly....
Yeah, it does rather, doesn't it...?
Skimmed through the section.
Might be relevant, might not.
Kotomine: A belated question for you. How much do you know about the "Holy Grail"?
You: I already knew the basic premise. There's an enormous monitoring system inside the moon.
You: The Moon Cell Automaton, an archive that has continued to record earth since the distant past. It could be called human history itself.
You: The wizards fought each other in a battle for survival to decide who possesses it.
Kotomine: Good. You should know that much. Then, I will fill in the blanks.
Kotomine: The last Master has the right to know what happens beyond that. Normally, that is all the Moon Cell does. It had been in the last century that it came to be called the Holy Grail.
Kotomine: I wonder who was it that found out that the Moon Cell which only observes has the power to grant wishes?
Kotomine: The true nature of the Moon Cell is an observation device. It firmly refuses to be anything else. It has the power to become God, but it itself refuses to be omnipotent. But...
Kotomine: Being an observation device, it was inevitable for it to have a certain function.
Kotomine: Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, a phenomenon first becomes certain by being observed by an observer. What isn't observed is, in other words, uncertain.
Kotomine: Then, it had to also observe what can't be seen.
Kotomine: The possibilities that could have happened have to be considered.
Kotomine: In order to achieve a more complete observation, the Moon Cell had to record many "ifs".
Kotomine: The computation device of the moon is for that purpose. The Moon Cell allocates its massive processing ability in retrocognition and future prediction.
Kotomine: Where you will be going is where all of of those predictions of the future are stored.
Kotomine: Over there probably lies all the wishes that people have fantasized.
Kotomine: The all-knowing, future-seeing demon of Laplas was apparently on the moon.
Kotomine: I repeat, the moon itself has no will. After all, an observer having a mind will distort the result of the observation.
Kotomine: But if one with a will was able to control the Moon Cell, then it will function as a limitless wish granterer, a Holy Grail.
Last edited by deadfish; October 5th, 2011 at 08:17 PM.
Holy shit, the Moon Cell can actualize Akashic Records.
[04:55] Lianru: i3uster is actuallly quite cute
Moon Cell is apparently more hax than I thought.
So, Nasu fails physics, then...?
Makes sense.
Nope, you can't fail physics if you never take the class.
Araya, what do you seek?
「アラヤ、何を求める」
------True wisdom.「――――真の叡智を」
Araya, where do you seek it?「アラヤ、何処に求める」
Only within myself.「――――ただ、己が内にのみ」
Araya, what is your favorite color?「アラヤ、好きな色は？」
Blue. No, ora-- Auuuuuuuugh!「青、いや、オレンジイイイイイアアアっ！」
anyway, its more like nasu designed psychics for the nasuverse.
^^Basically the point I have been trying to make for a long long time.
^
Uh, wrong thread? What is that thing?
Araya, what do you seek?
「アラヤ、何を求める」
------True wisdom.「――――真の叡智を」
Araya, where do you seek it?「アラヤ、何処に求める」
Only within myself.「――――ただ、己が内にのみ」
Araya, what is your favorite color?「アラヤ、好きな色は？」
Blue. No, ora-- Auuuuuuuugh!「青、いや、オレンジイイイイイアアアっ！」
Well, no, because he's taking actual physics terms and totally butchering them....
no he isnt. the nasuverse is his universe, inside it physics, and its terms, work as he says they do.
Nasu is a philosophy major.
Philosophers take words that already exist and tweak the meaning if not straight up using them the opposite way most people would.
So everything is fine and normal.
Araya, what do you seek?
「アラヤ、何を求める」
------True wisdom.「――――真の叡智を」
Araya, where do you seek it?「アラヤ、何処に求める」
Only within myself.「――――ただ、己が内にのみ」
Araya, what is your favorite color?「アラヤ、好きな色は？」
Blue. No, ora-- Auuuuuuuugh!「青、いや、オレンジイイイイイアアアっ！」
nope, this is a thread about akasha. =D
What, so you're saying that, in the Nasuverse, someone has defined the "Uncertainty Principle" to mean something completely different but which seems right to someone who knows fuck-all physics? As opposed to Nasu just being wrong...?
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