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    Quote Originally Posted by logiccosmic View Post
    Once they hit 100+ or so, they can change form to any human-sized humaniod or animal 3/day, without penalties to mental faculties. (Wisdom, Charisma, Intelligence). The form lasts until the dragon chooses to leave it, or they are hit by an antimagic field (Supernatural ability). For decades if they so choose.
    Actually, she can do that now, and she's (technically) only 51. Once she hits 101, she becomes an Adult dragon - so she'll be a teenager for the next fifty years.


    Also, they are powerful casters, have tons of hitpoints, and several attacks. Oh, and breath attacks, immunity to certain damages, magic resistance, etc.


    Quote Originally Posted by Hymn of Ragnarok View Post
    So basically for anyone who's not Saber, being reincarnated as a dragon is completely fucking awesome with minimal (if any) drawbacks.
    Pretty much - but you can understand why she's upset.




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    Pureauthor, Kieran and logiccosmic:

    Thanks for the help.
    You're welcome.
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    Speaking of dragons, does anyone think that Dragon!Saber would be a perfect stand-in for the Dovahkiin in Skyrim? Preferably in a storyline where she unites Skyrim and the Empire under a new banner and kicks the asses of every elf on the continent while she's also dealing with Alduin and friends. We've got another idea like this brewing elsewhere on the forums, but it's kinda crap because it's paying too much attention to mechanics and dumbing down the characters and shit with that transfer principle. Besides which, I have three words that will make you shit bricks, gentlemen:

    Midair. Dragon. Dogfight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kieran View Post
    Pretty much - but you can understand why she's upset.
    Oh, of course. I just find it extremely amusing that she's been given something almost anyone in any multiverse would happily maim or murder for only to sulk about it?
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    I refuse to believe that any eroge scene with Taiga would not make allusions to her Christmas Cake status, and this being Nasu, include references to making a cake. Stirring the batter, whisking the eggs, swirl the mixture around....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Comartemis View Post
    Speaking of dragons, does anyone think that Dragon!Saber would be a perfect stand-in for the Dovahkiin in Skyrim? Preferably in a storyline where she unites Skyrim and the Empire under a new banner and kicks the asses of every elf on the continent while she's also dealing with Alduin and friends. We've got another idea like this brewing elsewhere on the forums, but it's kinda crap because it's paying too much attention to mechanics and dumbing down the characters and shit with that transfer principle. Besides which, I have three words that will make you shit bricks, gentlemen:

    Midair. Dragon. Dogfight.
    Sounds cool.

    I still have to work out Saber's stats (like I said, she's complicated) - but if I've got this right, in her human form she'll be able to lift three tons (6 000 pounds). In her dragon form - over seventy tons (140 800 lbs.).

    For comparison, Kurai lifts 1840 lbs. as a half-drow, and 12 800 lbs. when he wolfs out.




    Quote Originally Posted by Hymn of Ragnarok View Post
    Oh, of course. I just find it extremely amusing that she's been given something almost anyone in any multiverse would happily maim or murder for only to sulk about it?
    Well, she lost her kingdom in part because they accused her of being inhuman . . .
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    just running some anime(and other series) by you guys to see if any of them might work for this cross over.
    angel beats
    Durarara
    bioshock
    nanoha - strikers
    shaman king
    god of war
    tower of druaga
    Artemis fowl
    black rock shooter
    sword art online

    if you don't know one of the series i've listed, tell me and i'll find info on it for you.

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    Saber is an aquatic dragon - she could really do some damage in Rapture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kieran View Post
    Saber is an aquatic dragon - she could really do some damage in Rapture.
    ya, she would wreck the place. how big is she in full dragon form? would she fit inside of the tunnels and hallways or Rapture?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kieran View Post
    Sounds cool.

    I still have to work out Saber's stats (like I said, she's complicated) - but if I've got this right, in her human form she'll be able to lift three tons (6 000 pounds). In her dragon form - over seventy tons (140 800 lbs.).

    For comparison, Kurai lifts 1840 lbs. as a half-drow, and 12 800 lbs. when he wolfs out.

    No kidding!

    Do you just re-do all her levels, and then make her a fresh sheet?


    Or just stick dragon HD/abilities on? And what does she count as anyway? Paladin? Fighter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zer0light View Post
    ya, she would wreck the place. how big is she in full dragon form? would she fit inside of the tunnels and hallways or Rapture?
    Right now? She can fit in. Think of her as a few Big Daddies strapped together. In a few hundred years, she will be able to gulp a Big Daddy in one mouthful.

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    water dragon... im guessing she can breath underwater (or at least hold her breath for a reeeeaally long time) and swim really well as well as having powerful water magic, but as a dragon, can she breath fire?

    (also want some opinions on the other series i suggested)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zer0light View Post
    ya, she would wreck the place. how big is she in full dragon form? would she fit inside of the tunnels and hallways or Rapture?
    Her current dimensions are 31 feet from nose to tail, with a wingspan of 34 feet. With her neck level, she's seven feet tall, and weighs 2500 pounds.




    Quote Originally Posted by logiccosmic View Post
    No kidding!

    Do you just re-do all her levels, and then make her a fresh sheet?


    Or just stick dragon HD/abilities on? And what does she count as anyway? Paladin? Fighter?
    I'm treating her as a 25th-level fighter, then tacking on the dragon levels in the same way I would with a lycanthrope - not quite the way reincarnation's supposed to work, but since the option was "DM's choice" to make her a dragon in the first place . . . This is my choice.




    Quote Originally Posted by Zer0light View Post
    water dragon... im guessing she can breath underwater (or at least hold her breath for a reeeeaally long time) and swim really well as well as having powerful water magic, but as a dragon, can she breath fire?

    See for yourself - she's a young adult.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zer0light View Post
    water dragon... im guessing she can breath underwater (or at least hold her breath for a reeeeaally long time) and swim really well as well as having powerful water magic, but as a dragon, can she breath fire?

    (also want some opinions on the other series i suggested)
    Lightning, since she is a Copper. And some sort of gas breath too.

    Artemis Fowl would be hilarious (DnD-wise) for a Human magic user, or any sort of Elf or Half Elf. Or better yet, Orc/Troll.

    Nanoha would probably need Saber for her SR or some sort of Epic Caster.

    Other series; don't have enough info for 'em




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    I'm treating her as a 25th-level fighter, then tacking on the dragon levels in the same way I would with a lycanthrope - not quite the way reincarnation's supposed to work, but since the option was "DM's choice" to make her a dragon in the first place . . . This is my choice.
    Haha, Oh wow, her HP total is insane. 43 HD? Yikes. Ultimate Caster Killer there. Quickened Force Cage and Greater Teleport!

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    Hmm well lets see

    Angel Beats- not really sorry but the place is about them finding happiness on their own

    Durarara
    it could be intresting especially depending on who gets the end of Izaya's trolling or if Kohaku is sent to challenge the troll

    bioshock
    not to familiar with this one sorry

    nanoha - strikers
    neither with this one sorry

    shaman king

    hmm this could work espically if it something like Shirou uses as traced weapons as mediums for the oversouls or if you want to be mindscrewy have Archer oversouls with Shirou's reality marble

    god of war
    Rider would be kinda funny dropping here

    tower of druaga
    not familiar

    Artemis fowl

    not familiar

    black rock shooter

    not familiar

    sword art online
    huh the problem here is no one is tech savy enough to try and attempt this world, although it would be intresting to see someone try

    On another how about Dark souls?

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    I don't see any place that they could slot in in Nanoha StrikerS. RF6 doesn't have many difficulties dealing with Jail and friends, and if there is a problem that prevents them from forming or something there's also the problem that nobody in GW knows anything about operating in a high-magitek society, especially one that knows about the multiverse and may object to their well-intentioned meddling with underdeveloped worlds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Comartemis View Post
    I don't see any place that they could slot in in Nanoha StrikerS. RF6 doesn't have many difficulties dealing with Jail and friends, and if there is a problem that prevents them from forming or something there's also the problem that nobody in GW knows anything about operating in a high-magitek society, especially one that knows about the multiverse and may object to their well-intentioned meddling with underdeveloped worlds.
    A TSAB raid to arrest/detain the Works crew scatters them, singly and in groups, to multiple worlds. They must find a way to find their comrades and return to Avalon, deal with the looming threat of TSAB mages that keep attempting to track down and attack them, and oh yeah - handle whatever problems they run into wherever the heck they landed.
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    Interesting, though there's the problem of the TSAB being able to find them again once they know how to access Avalon, plus Ilya can't go anywhere. Might be interesting if someone got stuck with Jail and had to cooperate with him and the Numbers to have a shot at getting back to Avalon.

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    Avalon's a rather small target though, centered over an analogue of an unadministered world. The Bureau (I always preffered the Space-Time Administration Bureau translation for the fun acronym) has the entire multiverse to search, and very limited manpower with which to do it. Realistically, it would take decades or centuries for them to shut down the Grailworks, assuming an almost entirely dedicated effort and the use of more powerful scrying magic than we are ever shown in-series to eliminate entire universes at once.
    ... But I digress, and plot will as plot needs. I just always get inspired by how impossible the STAB's mandate really is, and the level of courage and dedication it takes on the part of the entire Midchildan society to undertake it.

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    Rather like the Works . . .

    Of course, the fun conceit, to me, is that the Works would have no idea who these guys are - the Bureau just burst in, and in the ensuing fight, everybody got tossed somewhere else. Depending on how it's written, they might never know that they just got busted by the (presumably) good guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kieran View Post
    A TSAB raid to arrest/detain the Works crew scatters them, singly and in groups, to multiple worlds. They must find a way to find their comrades and return to Avalon, deal with the looming threat of TSAB mages that keep attempting to track down and attack them, and oh yeah - handle whatever problems they run into wherever the heck they landed.
    I see some problems with this... 1. Considering how important the base is and that Ilya can't leave it, it would take a hell of a force to make Shirou leave it. 2. With magic resistance and sword skills, it will take someone like Signum or Nanoha to even hope for the TSAB force to stand a chance against Saber. 3. I would very much like to hear what could force Arcueid out of the base.

    Just pointing out that not everybody is going to be scattered around in this kind of idea. Ideally, those who can hold will be forced to stay to keep the TSAB out and stop them from poking where they really shouldn't.

    And now, crack idea: Aoko and Zelretch come in for a visit, then a request arrive. Since they're bored and this look fun, they say they'll handle it.
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