The Grail Works Mission Dossier (Discussion & Ideas)

[SeiKeo]

...Someone mind telling me WHY they would summon Jeanne in the first place? Grail supporting her? That means a big mana drain for a long time, depending on how strong they intend to have her. Something the place usually try to avoid since they really could use the mana for other things. And as fun as it sounds, exciting the religious folk is not a good way to bring peace and stability.

...oh hey, and there's a way to keep her from stomping the Blight. Danke! ^_^

[PhoenixAct]

Probably just start throwing ideas back and forth in PM, work out story, and then somehow figure out how to divide writing.

Okay then.

The latter. Healing the Arl is the perfect opportunity. Until then Jeanne is a quirky if effective Grey Warden. That's the moment where people start thinking she's touched by the Maker. Her modesty or potential claims to doing what she felt is God's will cements her image.

Jeanne: I'm very disappointed in all of you.

Morrigan would laugh her ass off at the idea of the chantry getting told off by their own saviour.

[logiccosmic]

The latter. Healing the Arl is the perfect opportunity. Until then Jeanne is a quirky if effective Grey Warden. That's the moment where people start thinking she's touched by the Maker. Her modesty or potential claims to doing what she felt is God's will cements her image.

Mmmmkay.

Does Jeanne have a holy sword like Saber? (Obviously not as powerful, and aside from her suicide attack sword)

And will she still have her crazy Servant level stats?

Edit: More reasons; Freeing a god from enforced evil. Paying it forward. Having a few favors from someone upstairs is worth a lot of mana.

[Hymn of Ragnarok]

Because Jeanne would be an effective agent? They can fire up the Grail by using mundane magical items, why not summon a Heroic Spirit and instead of calling seven to duke it out, give the one a physical body?

You gotta admit, Jeanne would be a very appealing agent if you don't mind her potentially spreading religion. Ilya seems to have a fantastic ability to gather information, why not become aware of Jeanne's potential? Get her on your side and Revelation is haxx.

Jeanne: I'm very disappointed in all of you.

Morrigan would laugh her ass off at the idea of the chantry getting told off by their own saviour.

Perfect.

[pureauthor]

Jeanne would be utterly horrified if the locals tried to deify her.

[logiccosmic]

Jeanne would be utterly horrified if the locals tried to deify her.

And of course, her denying it with a show of utter humility only will convince them more...

[Kieran]

Because Jeanne would be an effective agent? They can fire up the Grail by using mundane magical items, why not summon a Heroic Spirit and instead of calling seven to duke it out, give the one a physical body?

You gotta admit, Jeanne would be a very appealing agent if you don't mind her potentially spreading religion. Ilya seems to have a fantastic ability to gather information, why not become aware of Jeanne's potential? Get her on your side and Revelation is haxx.

If her presence can be reasonably explained - and sufficient information given for everybody else to use her - I don't necessarily see a problem.

[SeiKeo]

Jeanne would be utterly horrified if the locals tried to deify her.

Eh, she's already a saint...

[PhoenixAct]

Also Andraste is known as the bride of the maker, not actually a god herself.

[Hymn of Ragnarok]

Does Jeanne have a holy sword like Saber? (Obviously not as powerful, and aside from her suicide attack sword)

And will she still have her crazy Servant level stats?

If she can make holy shrouds and increase effectiveness of sacraments, I wouldn't be surprised if any weapon she holds counts as holy.

And if she's given a physical body, why not?

Jeanne would be utterly horrified if the locals tried to deify her.

Thus encouraging the belief that she fulfills the Maker's will.

[logiccosmic]

If her presence can be reasonably explained - and sufficient information given for everybody else to use her - I don't necessarily see a problem.

Sufficient information: Like a DnD character sheet, or what?

Mana wise, maybe they can use lyrium as a source of mana? So they need to secure the lyrium, and Jeanne is their best bet?

[pureauthor]

Sufficient information as in why they'd turn to calling Heroic Spirits instead of relying on the manpower they already have.

"Everyone is busy" sounds like decent enough justification, really.

[Hymn of Ragnarok]

Sufficient information: Like a DnD character sheet, or what?

Mana wise, maybe they can use lyrium as a source of mana? So they need to secure the lyrium, and Jeanne is their best bet?

I'm not following...why summon Jeanne to get mana in lyrium? Although I must admit, gathering Lyrium for powering the Grail isn't a bad idea.

I say once the current personnel is wished free of problems, use the Grail to solve big problems or summon more capable and willing employees. They'll need more people eventually and Heroic Spirits are going to be better than almost anyone they could recruit that's still living.

[logiccosmic]

And Heroic Spirits don't age, do they? They are prana constructs.

[Hymn of Ragnarok]

And Heroic Spirits don't age, do they? They are prana constructs.

...Uh, that's a good question. As eirei, I imagine they wouldn't age. If they were given physical bodies, would they effectively have eternal youth and perfect health?

[Megaolix]

Even so, I'll say here I would rather not have the place start summoning more spirits left and right. And using religion is just asking to start huge bloody wars with anyone not believing in Andraste and turning followers into fanatics, especially after she leaves (no matter how she pulls it off).

[nununu]

Sufficient information as in why they'd turn to calling Heroic Spirits instead of relying on the manpower they already have.

"Everyone is busy" sounds like decent enough justification, really.

Ilya is the Grail. Jeanne decides to make good of her guardianship.

[PhoenixAct]

To solve Thedas' problems though, the fact is that at some point you will have to dive into religion.

And for why summon? Isn't Grail Works supposed to be a growing organization, in that they're actively looking to expand, as it were.

[logiccosmic]

To solve Thedas' problems though, the fact is that at some point you will have to dive into religion.

And for why summon? Isn't Grail Works supposed to be a growing organization, in that they're actively looking to expand, as it were.

Agreed; The Qun is one Crusade/Jihad/whatever away from rolling over a Blight-wrecked Ferelden and Free Marches. Especially since they are already teching up to Firearms.

And the Chantry is ready to Crusade/Jihad/Divine March the Quarni back to the sea, or anyone who shows apostasy.

It's 1000 AD all over again. Shit is going downhill, fast.

Jeanne can bring pseudo-Enlightment style religion (hopefully), as in don't kill all the heretics.

[Hymn of Ragnarok]

To solve Thedas' problems though, the fact is that at some point you will have to dive into religion.

And for why summon? Isn't Grail Works supposed to be a growing organization, in that they're actively looking to expand, as it were.

Grey Wardens are fairly dangerous. Taint is a factor, but there may be measures against that even if the taint can't be outright cured. Instead of Grey Wardens marching to their death in Orzammar, they could be discretely recruited if they're sufficiently trustworthy and powerful. Things like that. Start a religion where the strongest and virtuous ascend to Heaven where they fight for goodness. There's gotta be some world with the fountain of youth to restore health to some aging badass hero.