Tohno is a bad guy though. see Mil's suggestion regarding the Tohno's being Crim's followers.If you're going to cameo her, just don't bother and let Tohno have it. There's no point.
thus Ryougi is the good guy option.
Tohno is a bad guy though. see Mil's suggestion regarding the Tohno's being Crim's followers.If you're going to cameo her, just don't bother and let Tohno have it. There's no point.
thus Ryougi is the good guy option.
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Befriend him. He's already in the story, you don't have to shoehorn him.
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I don't think i'm reading this right. Befriend Tohno? and i'm not shoehorning him into anything so I don't know what you mean by that.Befriend him. He's already in the story, you don't have to shoehorn him.
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it is my firm belief that regarding the ban of mike1984 I have been given insufficient reason for the affair and it's conclusion, further than this I feel that the light manner it has been treated in is appalling. It is my sincere hope that he is not regarded in the same way as actually malicious posters who have appeared on beast's lair or otherwise as a joke to be snickered at when spoken of in the future. I will not forget my friend or view him in the manner those in charge here have presented him and his actions, nor will I accept the situation as it stands where people snicker at him as if he were a joke.
Befriend as in Nanoha. And you're not shoehorning him, you're shoehorning her.
Wait, what? You're having Tohno Shiki as a villain...?
Admittedly, I don't know much about him, but that doesn't seem particularly in-character to me....
uh, well I guess that would work. I mean you have a one in four chance as of now. and you wrote him above that's why i was confusedBefriend as in Nanoha. And you're not shoehorning him, you're shoehorning her.
it isn't but then Akiha shouldn't be a follower of crimson moon either.Wait, what? You're having Tohno Shiki as a villain...?
Admittedly, I don't know much about him, but that doesn't seem particularly in-character to me....
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it is my firm belief that regarding the ban of mike1984 I have been given insufficient reason for the affair and it's conclusion, further than this I feel that the light manner it has been treated in is appalling. It is my sincere hope that he is not regarded in the same way as actually malicious posters who have appeared on beast's lair or otherwise as a joke to be snickered at when spoken of in the future. I will not forget my friend or view him in the manner those in charge here have presented him and his actions, nor will I accept the situation as it stands where people snicker at him as if he were a joke.
Mhmm, Lantz, you seem to admit that they are kinda OOC there...
If you need them at his side you'd better have a good reason for it (hint: Mystic Eyes ofrapeCharming)
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I just did.Mhmm, Lantz, you seem to admit that they are kinda OOC there...
although a family of demon bloods being servants to the ultimate vampire does make sense.
given that T Shiki was hypnotized to forget the truth of his origin does give President to his alliance to crim.
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it is my firm belief that regarding the ban of mike1984 I have been given insufficient reason for the affair and it's conclusion, further than this I feel that the light manner it has been treated in is appalling. It is my sincere hope that he is not regarded in the same way as actually malicious posters who have appeared on beast's lair or otherwise as a joke to be snickered at when spoken of in the future. I will not forget my friend or view him in the manner those in charge here have presented him and his actions, nor will I accept the situation as it stands where people snicker at him as if he were a joke.
It would make sense if Shiki was brainwashed, misled, blackmailed or charmed into serving Crimson moon, and it wouldn't be too hard to say that Akiha inverted and turned evil. The maids could be explained in the same way Shiki is, and SHIKI is evil anyway so it doesn't matter.
...No. Dracula can't die for good, or is very hard to do so, but that is not a measure of his power. That's more like a Conceptual Weapon or inherent ability than a measure of his power levels. Calling Dracula as powerful as Crimson Moon is very misleading. Dracula is nowhere near being a TYPE.
Really?wasn't selling it Hymn
OK you are aware that Dracula in castlevania is an unrestrained crimson moon, right?
I'd call the guy more powerful because crimson was killed for many thousands of years and HAS to use the proper sac to be restored to full power. while Drac can just take anyone and bust out as strong as ever.Consider me fooled.as with drac in vania crim is nigh unkillable but as too with castlevania the group will be equipped to face him once they do. IE: the vampire killer the belmonts whip can harm dracula while regular gear is bull shit. and other stuff like that.
Also, regular gear being worthless against Dracula has no precedence that I can recall. The Vampire Killer is very effective, but that doesn't mean mundane weapons are worthless. I certainly don't recall any story details that say as much, and considering that every protagonist to stuffed full of subweapons like axes, knives, and a few holy talismans, I'm not convinced Dracula is 'in story' immune to mundane weapons. He certainly isn't in gameplay.
*headdesk*all of whom have credible ways to hurt him.
Alucard, Soma and Shanoa all have Drac's dark powers and the Belmont's Vampire killer can harm Death. your criticism is invalidated somewhat.
My point is that while they have credible ways to hurt him, Dracula is not so overwhelmingly powerful that they are as ants before him. He might toy with them at first, but he eventually pulls out all the stops and he still loses.
As for non Belmonts, I wasn't thinking people related to Dracula. I was thinking people like Maria from Rondo of Blood and Symphony of the Night. For the record, Maria can beat Dracula in Rondo of Blood and she's still a child. I can't even call her a joke character, because when she returns in Symphony of the Night she's still a threat to Alucard in battle.
Moreover, the Vampire Killer left the possession of the Belmont's after Richter, and other non Belmonts used it. Even though it gobbled up their life to use it, they still beat Dracula. I'd have to do research, but I'm nearly certain that non Belmonts have successfully killed Dracula without the Vampire Killer. One guy had Alucard's Spear, I think. They might have also had the Vampire Killer, but in one game it starts out piss weak and the main character has to beat the memory of Richter to unlock its full strength. They can still beat Dracula without its full strength, but I can't guarantee that the True End is acquired.
So yeah. Lots of non-Belmonts that have kicked Dracula's ass. Dracula may be incredibly difficult, if not impossible, to permanently kill, but he is not someone I'd consider equal to Crimson Moon. Not without more evidence.
Honestly, I'm not sure either. AM plus the Grail could do enormous destruction, but I've no idea what AM on his own could do. I remember Avenger can kill any human, so I'd assume AM has something similar.
That's all, folks!
alright Hymn look. you're starting to sound like Dartz when Arc is mentioned. And that's a bad thing. I already stated I'm not looking at sheer power when I sized up the two and said Dracula is more powerful. I looked at and named the facts objectively. Dracula is more versatile then crim and factually unkillable at this point. win/loss numbers don't mean anything to me particularly when you stack up a back story beside a game where the whole end goal is defeat Dracula.
Crim has fought one "hero" and was beaten there's nothing to say he wouldn't lose again it is simply that we've only seen him fight once. and to be frank, yes drac may have lost more times but he's scored point along the way which makes his score less then zero which is exactly what crimson moon has. 100% loss rate.
besides that sheer power rarely works in the nasuverse in the hands of a villain.
at any rate i'm willing to continue the conversation but it's derailing the thread. so you want to reply then do it in VM's.
well yes that is what I implied (although i already stated eariler Kohaku would be the creature creator and Mecha Hisui "The creature") Shiki could be turned to good i guess later.It would make sense if Shiki was brainwashed, misled, blackmailed or charmed into serving Crimson moon, and it wouldn't be too hard to say that Akiha inverted and turned evil. The maids could be explained in the same way Shiki is, and SHIKI is evil anyway so it doesn't matter.
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Yeah, I can believe it then. Looking forward to your story.
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5483316/...ll_His_Engines : In regards to Dracula's power or lack thereof, this fic I ran into once kind of explained it away pretty well. In Nasuish vibes, even. It explains why he was OP once and why later on anyone could beat him up.
Spoiler:
I like that fic. It's not perfect, but it is rather enjoyable despite the cliches. I think the Spoony One made a cameo in there too...
As for Lantz, I have no idea who this Dartz is, and frankly care much more about Castlevania!Dracula than I do about Crimson Moon. It's a series very dear to my heart. And while I may be argumentative here, some of your arguments strike me as just plain wrong. That argument about Dracula getting more points along the way while CM's record is a flat zero is particularly unfair.
Judging Crimson Moon's chances of victory by his defeat against Zelretch at his prime, without any other samples as a basis for comparison, is a terrible way to draw a conclusion about Crimson Moon's ability. That's an egregious abuse of statistics, particularly when we have so much more information about Dracula, but I'll spare you that particular rant. You say there's no telling whether he'd lose again, but considering what it took to put a full powered CM down the first time I think we can assume that unless the character is outrageously powerful/clever/lucky, they are utterly and totally up shit's creek.
As for this derailing the topic, if you're referring to the Dracula discussion, that's reasonable. I'm not opposed to continuing that discussion there. I can certainly understand wanting to do so since he's not actually appearing in the story. Crimson Moon on the other hand....
This is a discussion thread. You advertise that discussion and debate should be kept on this thread. If you were writing the story here I'd understand and comply but the entire point of a discussion thread is to air out questions and ideas in a public forum easily visible by all. I think the subject of Crimson Moon's strength is relevant, and if Crimson Moon regained his full power like Dracula (usually) does at the climax of each Castlevania game, I would have a very hard time buying the protagonists winning without somehow taking away his full strength or having Zelretch grade firepower. On that note:
As far as I can tell the only reason it doesn't is because the villains are (understandably) confident in their ability to win even while holding back and don't exercise that full power, while the protagonists sucker punch the villains with their full haxx strength and pull out a win before the villains can recover. I think even Zelretch won by surprising CM with the Second Magic. If CM had his full strength the inclination and opportunity to use it, you would have a very, very hard time selling the protagonist's victory to me.besides that sheer power rarely works in the nasuverse in the hands of a villain.
I hope you've got some serious handicaps set against the Crimson Moon. Dracula, despite never staying dead, isn't anywhere near as powerful as CM. Even if the Nasuverse protagonists can be proportionally ludicrous, Crimson Moon is still a TYPE. So far the only avenues to victory I see are: Rin getting crazy good with the Jeweled Sword, someone getting Ea and enough charge up time to obliterate Brunstead, or Crimson Moon being weakened to the point where the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception can affect him.
Were this a story an actual Castlevania game, I can best imagine it ending with one of the 'Dracula wasn't completely defeated endings' or otherwise less than perfect survival rate amongst the cast. Because if CM made a full resurrection....ignoring that one True Ancestor is going to bite the bullet to make way for CM, the amount of power that can be brought to bear against the very squishy mortals is plain unfair. If you can pull this off well, I'll love this story, but it ain't gonna be easy.
There. Any Dracula debate I'll gladly take to VM, but CM...yeah, I would like to hear more about how that'll be handled, or at least some form of reassurance that you have it under control.
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that was the point of the statement actually. I contest that you can't count dracula's failures as negatives in this case because castlevania's whole MO is murder dracula in the face.some of your arguments strike me as just plain wrong. That argument about Dracula getting more points along the way while CM's record is a flat zero is particularly unfair.
as is dracula and those who have beat him.Judging Crimson Moon's chances of victory by his defeat against Zelretch at his prime, without any other samples as a basis for comparison, is a terrible way to draw a conclusion about Crimson Moon's ability.
that was the point i was making. you were abusing the nature of the castlevania games to similar effect.That's an egregious abuse of statistics
thing is it's a bit of a mess of yarn at this point.As for this derailing the topic, if you're referring to the Dracula discussion, that's reasonable. I'm not opposed to continuing that discussion there. I can certainly understand wanting to do so since he's not actually appearing in the story. Crimson Moon on the other hand....
I did say they would be correctly equipped by the time they fought Crimson moon earlier.and if Crimson Moon regained his full power like Dracula (usually) does at the climax of each Castlevania game, I would have a very hard time buying the protagonists winning without somehow taking away his full strength or having Zelretch grade firepower. On that note:
I did say before that he wouldn't be using his correct host which is a severe one by my estimation but as for the rest it's supposed to be revealed as the narrative progresses.I hope you've got some serious handicaps set against the Crimson Moon.
there's a LOT of spoilers in answering that.I would like to hear more about how that'll be handled, or at least some form of reassurance that you have it under control.
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it is my firm belief that regarding the ban of mike1984 I have been given insufficient reason for the affair and it's conclusion, further than this I feel that the light manner it has been treated in is appalling. It is my sincere hope that he is not regarded in the same way as actually malicious posters who have appeared on beast's lair or otherwise as a joke to be snickered at when spoken of in the future. I will not forget my friend or view him in the manner those in charge here have presented him and his actions, nor will I accept the situation as it stands where people snicker at him as if he were a joke.
By the way out of curiosity if Shiki is in this how can he stand being around that many demons? Like he went crazy when he first so Arc I have a hard time imagining his latent blood won't urge to wipe out most of the monsters there. Or is the brainwashing just that powerful?
But storywise, Dracula is still losing. The point of the games may be to beat him, but if take the story for what it is, it's humanity, its allies, and most prominantly the Belmonts rising to the challenge of subduing Dracula.
I lump this under segregation between gameplay and story. If you get meta here you'll never stop.
How.as is dracula and those who have beat him.
I still cite gameplay and story segregation. Bad guy appears, hero triumphs, hurray! Castlevania isn't a VN and it's not fair to dismiss its canon.that was the point i was making. you were abusing the nature of the castlevania games to similar effect.
Guess I missed it. Good luck selling it.I did say they would be correctly equipped by the time they fought Crimson moon earlier.
Alright, I'm considerably more content.I did say before that he wouldn't be using his correct host which is a severe one by my estimation but as for the rest it's supposed to be revealed as the narrative progresses.
Leave 'em then. I'd rather not know. I'll just wait for the story to play out.there's a LOT of spoilers in answering that.
That's all, folks!
It isn't really difficult actually. once it is explained it'll make senseGuess I missed it. Good luck selling it.
well thank you for that. it's nice to know someone won't hammer me with questions when I say it will be explained later.Leave 'em then. I'd rather not know. I'll just wait for the story to play out.
exactly.By the way out of curiosity if Shiki is in this how can he stand being around that many demons? Like he went crazy when he first so Arc I have a hard time imagining his latent blood won't urge to wipe out most of the monsters there. Or is the brainwashing just that powerful?
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it is my firm belief that regarding the ban of mike1984 I have been given insufficient reason for the affair and it's conclusion, further than this I feel that the light manner it has been treated in is appalling. It is my sincere hope that he is not regarded in the same way as actually malicious posters who have appeared on beast's lair or otherwise as a joke to be snickered at when spoken of in the future. I will not forget my friend or view him in the manner those in charge here have presented him and his actions, nor will I accept the situation as it stands where people snicker at him as if he were a joke.
Well, I can take that much on faith I suppose.
No sense in ruining the surprise if you really can't explain it without spoilers, especially when you don't want to talk about it.well thank you for that. it's nice to know someone won't hammer me with questions when I say it will be explained later.
Sorry if I came off as overly harsh before, I've cooled down and relaxed some now.
That's all, folks!
I cannot guarantee that you'll agree with my interpretation of things however as an action writer I can say that everyone will certainly look coolWell, I can take that much on faith I suppose.
it happens. you weren't as bad as a few i've had to deal with.Sorry if I came off as overly harsh before, I've cooled down and relaxed some now.
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