The "Holy Shirou War" (as dubbed by others, not me)...

[SeiKeo]

I don't think so. :X

Just because Herakles is harder to kill doesn't make him more dangerous.

It kinda does. Think about the rest of the 5th War Servants. How many of them could possibly kill Lance? Saber, EMIYA, Lancer, Rider, Caster, maybe Hassan. Now, how many of those can take Herc? Caster if she's amazingly lucky, Saber, and EMIYA.

[Lycodrake]

It kinda does. Think about the rest of the 5th War Servants. How many of them could possibly kill Lance? Saber, EMIYA, Lancer, Rider, Caster, maybe Hassan. Now, how many of those can take Herc? Caster if she's amazingly lucky, Saber, and EMIYA.

Well, let's just say that Lancelot is going to have his work cut out for him, but so are the other Servants. Especially whoever ends up as Shirou's, since his Servant has their stats nerfed, IIRC.

And, just so that everyone knows, I pretty much just want to figure out Rider and Lancer first. Of course, I'm leaning towards Medusa or the Trung Sisters for Rider, and Empress Jinguu for Lancer.
But I want other peoples' input on this, too.

[Spinach]

@Spinach: Well, I have Assassin already how I want it, but thanks for input on that.

That's perfectly fine by me. I just look for a chance to suggest Li so he can get some love.

[mangafreak7793]

I must say I disagree with that statement! We have Musashibo Benkei, Sakata Kintoki, Sasaki Kojirou, Li Shuwen, and Lu Bu. That's quite a few.

That are in this war? I mean.

[Spinach]

That are in this war? I mean.

Ahh. Yeah, it's a tad lacking... But I guess EMIYA counts as an oriental hero. :s

[Theocrass]

It kinda does. Think about the rest of the 5th War Servants. How many of them could possibly kill Lance? Saber, EMIYA, Lancer, Rider, Caster, maybe Hassan. Now, how many of those can take Herc? Caster if she's amazingly lucky, Saber, and EMIYA.

But what happens when Gil swordspams Herc? And what happens when he swordspams Lancelot?

I would only agree that Herc was more dangerous if he was also sane.

And just because they potentially could doesn't mean they actually could.

[Hymn of Ragnarok]

It kinda does. Think about the rest of the 5th War Servants. How many of them could possibly kill Lance? Saber, EMIYA, Lancer, Rider, Caster, maybe Hassan. Now, how many of those can take Herc? Caster if she's amazingly lucky, Saber, and EMIYA.

Actually, wasn't there an interview with Nasu that said that Caster could only kill Herc once or twice, while Lancer actually had a chance to outright kill Herc? A low chance, but it was there.

But what happens when Gil swordspams Herc? And what happens when he swordspams Lancelot?

I would only agree that Herc was more dangerous if he was also sane.

And just because they potentially could doesn't mean they actually could.

Uh...I think it does. Now, whether it's realistic or likely to happen is another story.

[SeiKeo]

But what happens when Gil swordspams Herc? And what happens when he swordspams Lancelot?

Herc dies only when Enkidu opens up, Lance dies as soon as Gil opens up the Gate to 32. Lemme quote it:

Berserker had endured a continuous attack of sixteen Noble Phantasms, but there was no way to resist twice that number.

And just because they potentially could doesn't mean they actually could.

Yes, but there's a lot more potential for defeat on his side.

^ The thing with Caster is if she manages to Rule Break Saber, so she has Assassin, Saber, and herself going at him at the same time. That's why it's under the Amazingly Lucky provision. Maybe Lancer is right, I don't recall.

[mangafreak7793]

Ahh. Yeah, it's a tad lacking... But I guess EMIYA counts as an oriental hero. :s

He counts, I guess but I rather not see another greek Hero if I could help it. (not sure why though)

[Lycodrake]

Herc dies only when Enkidu opens up, Lance dies as soon as Gil opens up the Gate to 32.

Yes, but there's a lot more potential for defeat on his side.

^ The thing with Caster is if she manages to Rule Break Saber, so she has Assassin, Saber, and herself going at him at the same time. That's why it's under the Amazingly Lucky provision. Maybe Lancer is right, I don't recall.

Well, look at who I have for "Caster", too: Archerko. XD
Just FYI, this will not be "Emilya" Archerko, but an alternate Illya. My mileage varies on Emilya. XP

[SeiKeo]

Well, look at who I have for "Caster", too. XD

Different Caster XD. Although, that doesn't really help it much, since she still doesn't have 12 different attacks, or ones that will hit for more than 1 or 2 lives.

[Mike1984]

It happened for the 3rd HGW, and also during F/HA, too.

Actually, that was one servant divided into two, not two seperate servants.

Enough of a nightmare? Nah. EMIYA needs to hold for 30 seconds and be threatening enough, and Ilya's dust.

But EMIYA won't attack Ilya....

And, just so that everyone knows, I pretty much just want to figure out Rider and Lancer first. Of course, I'm leaning towards Medusa or the Trung Sisters for Rider, and Empress Jinguu for Lancer.
But I want other peoples' input on this, too.

Well, who do you intend for them to end up with, and what are your intentions for them in the fic (Sakura in particular)?

[Hymn of Ragnarok]

Also, for anyone but Gil, a Herc that actually gets the stat benefits of Mad Enhancement is probably absurdly dangerous. And a sane Herc gets Nine Lives.

Lancelot is better suited for Berserker by virtue of Knight of Honor and a stat boosting NP, but a Herc with Mad Enhancement might be able to tank Lancelot long enough to kill him anyway, and without has Nine Lives to make up the difference. Ilya just didn't use Herc for anything but brute force and that's her loss.

[Theocrass]

Archerko is a bad choice for Caster, IMO.

[SeiKeo]

But EMIYA won't attack Ilya....

Lorelei. She sure as heck will, and Ilya can do jack.

[KAIZA]

Hmmm...
I think I'll go with:

Shirou -> Rider, Medusa
Sakura-> Lancer, Tomoe Gozen

[mangafreak7793]

Archerko is a bad choice for Caster, IMO.

Who will rape who?

[dragon20990]

This whole Lancelot vs Shirou is moot point since they are each other's worst enemies. Lancelot can use anything Shirou throws at him, but as they are simply projections of Shirou they will technically break eventually. Anyways in UBW, Lancelot has the advantage, until EMIYA ends it, then just bombard Lancelot with hundred one hit kill phantasms and broken phantasms. Could you imagine a broken gae bolg? Guarantee for an explosive bloody end.

[Lycodrake]

Actually, that was one servant divided into two, not two seperate servants.

But EMIYA won't attack Ilya....

Well, who do you intend for them to end up with, and what are your intentions for them in the fic (Sakura in particular)?

Well, I know that it was two aspects of the same, but there are quite a few possibilities with Heaven's Feel. Or Wizard Marshall did it. XP

If I go with the Trung Sisters for Rider, I'd have Shirou summon them; Medusa would be for Sakura. Either one could have Empress Jinguu... ^^

On the subject of Archerko for Caster...well, YMMV on that. *shrugs*

[Hymn of Ragnarok]

Lorelei. She sure as heck will, and Ilya can do jack.

...Oh wow, Ilya really is boned. Lorelei could probably make a Command Spell stick with EMIYA too.

Maybe if EMIYA let Lorelei know that he would not sit back passively and let Ilya die he could bargain a chance at Ilya's survival?