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    Quote Originally Posted by JetKinen View Post
    Considering how much of a huge success F/GO is, I wonder if there is like a growing list of academic essays on the Nasuverse in Japan

    A quick search on Academia.edu points me towards at least two articles, but I wonder if there are more.
    What did you possibly search for to find that? Because any related terms I can think of give nothing on there.
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    your ability to be wrong about literally everything you post is truly astounding. Even a broken clock is right twice a day, but you haven't been right once.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JetKinen View Post
    Considering how much of a huge success F/GO is, I wonder if there is like a growing list of academic essays on the Nasuverse in Japan

    A quick search on Academia.edu points me towards at least two articles, but I wonder if there are more.
    Someone who wrote a treatise on Kara no Kyoukai, Notes or even DDD will amaze me more.

    Saturation of Fate is too much that a term like "Servant", "Magus" or even "Master" is automatically being associated with Fate.
    Not dealing with it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpoonyViking View Post
    Seriously? Are those in English?
    Managed to find 3.

    "Identity of Summoned Heroes: Aspects of Psyche and Phases of Persona in Fate/stay night"
    This paper investigated the possibility of irradiating archetypal correlatives of individuality, through the examination of the description and expression about the spells used in summoning magic. Several interesting Japanese video games and anime shows are introduced in the notes of this paper.
    Which is also available here.

    "Existence, Phenomenon and Personality: Individuality in Figurines, Anime and Game"
    A study of fictional existence and meta-identity of individuality. This book consists of subculture studies of figurines, cult movie, video game and anime. Various PVC figurines such as Hatsune Miku, Black Rockshooter, Asuka, Rei and Senjogahara Hitagi are examined in order to corroborate the components that constitute the characteristics of a persona.

    Uploaded file is a variant example introduced in the book expressing the separation of the meaning from presentational iconography following the manner of Rene Magritte
    So it seems to be an excerpt from this.

    "Reshaping historical and legendary European figures in the Fate’s universe"
    In the 21st century, the impressive growth of cultural exchanges implies a strong stimulation to local imaginaries and personal imaginations. More than ever, fragments of One’s culture are transferred and assimilated, deformed, restructured by an Other’s. Among those, some serve as new raw materials for writers and are used in various ways, whether it is as an historical background, a parodic one, fantasized and exotic characters, or even as moe-elements in the otaku database (Azuma Hiroki, 2001). This creates a great opportunity to witness an exponential development of transcultural and transtextual productions. This way, the circulation of cultural elements amplifies as well the chance of revitalizing – understood as giving a second life – and hybridising ancient ones in unexpected areas. In the meantime, the reorganisation of cultural elements through fictional works challenges and modifies their perception by the readers. The more foreign the fragments are to the readership, the more fictionnalisation might influence them – even more when they possess a limited knowledge of their original values. For researchers in literature, the consequences of such a situation in our century ought to arouse their curiosity since it confronts numerous concepts (i.e. nationality, identity, the impact of fictionnalisation …). And amidst the areas of contemporary cultural exchanges, the “crossroad” where Europe encounters Japan is worthy of interest.

    In this paper, I intend to observe how some historical and legendary figures of European cultures are reshaped through the prism of a successful Japanese popular work: Fate/Stay night – and its universe. Created by Type-Moon, in 2004, as a visual novel composed of three different scenarios, it has been adapted in manga and animation following the principles of the media-mix strategy – as well as its prequel, Fate/Zero, first published as a light novel (2006-2007). In a transcultural and transtextual approach, I study how this fiction offers a peculiar approach of European characters (King Arthur, Cú Chulainn, Alexander the Great…), challenges the readers’ perception, as well as reactivates ancient elements in the 21st century.
    The only one available in English, but unfortunately the paper hasn't actually been made public.

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    My bad, the last one is a conference presentation, that's why it's not available.
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    Thanks a lot, savepoints! I'll read them later.

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    Well how foreign papers can work sometimes is they put the abstract out in english but that's it
    The first two are book chapters like that
    The last one was actually a panel discussion at this workshop https://mutualimages.org/
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    Rayquaza is too good for her.
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    Bob the Builder's evil twin.
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    HF felt like Nasu holding up a megaphone and screaming, "LOOK AT HOW SAD THIS IS! ISN'T IT SAD? YOU SHOULD FEEL SAD!"


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    > Einzbern

    > Making smart decisions


    Pick one


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    Palingenesis just sounds like we're creating Sarah Palin.


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    >tfw you betray your ideals to get some


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    In short, Japan's syncretism BS striked again.

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    give her hydreigon
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    Genderswaps are terrible, but I think I and other people would hate them less if Fate didn't keep ignoring actual heroines throughout history and folklore. Like, why bother turning Francis Drake into a woman when Ching Shih and Grace O'Malley exist?
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    I was thinking either that or Druddigon.
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    Bob the Builder's evil twin.
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    HF felt like Nasu holding up a megaphone and screaming, "LOOK AT HOW SAD THIS IS! ISN'T IT SAD? YOU SHOULD FEEL SAD!"


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    > Einzbern

    > Making smart decisions


    Pick one


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    Palingenesis just sounds like we're creating Sarah Palin.


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    >tfw you betray your ideals to get some


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    In short, Japan's syncretism BS striked again.

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    Curse
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    Druddigon for sure.

    On the other hand Mega Gallade feels like a really good match. Nickname it Gilles.

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    did Nasu ever give info on the train of thought that went into making Kiara?

    because her choice of religious attire, usage of martial arts and pleasure derived from emotionally damaging people, it seems like he started with the logic of "lets genderbend kirei"

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    Kirei Araya
    Ki Ara
    Kiara

    i saw something like this
    Chaldea Heroes

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    Nikiri has what I dub Blessings of the Boobs, see. As long as what his rolling for has two conspicuous mountains, they'll come to him one way or another.
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    Well, fine. Nikiri has this thing called 「我が往くは爆乳の彼方・・・!」
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    GundamFSN. Thank you.

    Just before rolling I said 「我が往くは爆乳の彼方・・・!」

    First ticket. Da Vinci-chan NP2.

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    They are nothing alike.

    Nasu is a Buddhism nerd, everything about Kiara is heavily Buddhism-centric

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    Quote Originally Posted by Altaris View Post
    They are nothing alike.

    Nasu is a Buddhism nerd, everything about Kiara is heavily Buddhism-centric

    how are they so different besides their religion of choice and sex drive?

    are nuns a thing in eastern religions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fire_mountain_30 View Post
    how are they so different besides their religion of choice and sex drive?
    Everything about their backgrounds, motivations, characters, philosophy, personalities to their actions

    are nuns a thing in eastern religions?
    Yes. There are tons of Buddhist nuns. Like just take Japan for example, plenty of famous female historical figures become Buddhist nun. Chacha for example

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    Quote Originally Posted by fire_mountain_30 View Post
    because her choice of religious attire
    She's a Buddhist nun
    usage of martial arts
    She is not only an expert magus but can use Buddhism martial arts and even Dakini arts (as Tamamo noticed when she pushed Passionlip into spirit form using Dakini magic).
    and pleasure derived from emotionally damaging people
    No. She is completely different from Kirei in this regard. She does not seek pleasure from emotionally damaging people whatsoever. Her goal is always to become one with the fundamental truth of the universe (Shingon Buddhism ideal) aka become a Buddha on the same level of Vairocana/Amaterasu, to reach the seat of god and obtain omnipotence which will bring even more pleasure to herself. All of that is to bring salvation to mankind in her mind. However, because she believes that only herself is human, is mankind, she considers everyone else to be disposable, which then leads her to seek pleasure for herself, for salvation to herself. This is vastly different from Kirei being a sadistic nasty priest.

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    i wasnt asking in terms of position

    i was reffering to nuns only for the choice of attire.

    can you point to any buddhist sect that dresses exactly like Kiara does in her base human form as an alter ego?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mizukume View Post
    This is vastly different from Kirei being a sadistic nasty priest.

    i was thinking along the lines of the description of her clairvoyance skill, which does protray her as a sadist that enjoys mental torture

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    lol, I don't think you're going to find a Christian nun that wears that attire either you know

    because Christian nuns don't exactly wear cocktail dresses

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    Maybeee if Gawain was in charge of their costume then they would

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arashi_Leonhart View Post
    lol, I don't think you're going to find a Christian nun that wears that attire either you know

    because Christian nuns don't exactly wear cocktail dresses
    I think he's talking about the general color scheme then design really
    "Only in my company, will you not be a monster"


    anywhere than here

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    Quote Originally Posted by fire_mountain_30 View Post
    can you point to any buddhist sect that dresses exactly like Kiara does in her base human form as an alter ego?
    Yes. Chinese monks and nuns during the Tang Dynasty wore black robes. Even now there are several sects using that color. It's not a strange thing.
    When she reaches demon bodhisattva state, she is based on the Bodhisattva Guanyin so the color scheme changed to white similar to her. The design of the clothing is more to fit the fantasy settings rather than being 100% accurate to RL.
    i was thinking along the lines of the description of her clairvoyance skill, which does protray her as a sadist that enjoys mental torture
    That's the same thing Tamamo Lancer commented about Kiara, because that's basically the same as Golden Fox in CCC. They both have certain sadistic tendencies. It's not something essential to her character or that which motivates her to seek pleasure and turn demon like it motivated Kirei. Kirei acts on that, while Kiara just has that sadist quirk turn on whenever she sees some deep shit in the enemies and try to shit on them similar to the fox.

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