No one actually wants to answer that question. Take a hint. However, I'd like to try this again. Do you guys think Servant Xtreme Beach Volleyball would be cool?
No one actually wants to answer that question. Take a hint. However, I'd like to try this again. Do you guys think Servant Xtreme Beach Volleyball would be cool?
Not dealing with it...
Why even try?
This is golden...
Um, Zelrecht wasn't actually Rin's ancestor, if that's what your saying. He's only the "ancestor" of the Tohsaka line in that he was the one who taught them magecraft. Also, their true magecraft is just storing prana in objects. Most of their jewel magic came from the Edelfelt family, as did their proficiency in curses.
Wasn't there those implications that he got Nagato's daughter as....collateral for being a bro and teacher to Nagato?
And that maybe his daughter was the talented one?
And I wasn't saying that. I simply said that ancestor in this case meant source of magical lineage in that he taught them magic.
Nagato's daughter was definitely the more talented one and the one more involved in the HF ritual, but nowhere that I know of has it ever been stated Zelrecht got her as collateral. Hell, he taught Nagato magic to repay a hotel bill.
Sure, why not? I personally find beach volleyball a more exciting sport in general, and we've already seen how it might look, but to each his own.
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I mean, lineage is a weird choice of words if it’s just talking about students, and the operation of the gem sword doesn’t seem to have much to do with Tohsaka magecraft in the first place.“Uh... I don't know, but is this any good? It looks pretty crappy."
"That's fine as is. The sword is an extraordinary demonic sword that can only be used by Schweinorg's lineage.
Well, I guess it's fate. Sakura is receiving the protection of the third and Rin's going to try to use the second. It wouldn't end up as mere investigation if the Association were here. Every department would be running to put them on trial."
Ilya laughs.
Plus there’s that bit about how Nagato wasn’t really a student of Zelretch’s anyway and he mostly just gave him the jewel sword homework as one of those classic Zelretch pranks
Again, while I’m not saying it definitely is true, it’s worth noting in an oddly similar manner, there is an entire game built around the premise that when it comes to ability usage, a blood link is not nearly as important as someone who uses a compatible skill set.
Sion’s Mistake was assuming the link between her and zepia was due to him being her grandfather, when in actuality the true connection was in her mastery of etherlite being similar to his usage of malignant rumors.
Rin being linked to zelretch might be more in relation to her absurd level of skill with gem magic was a good foundation for learning to control the jeweled sword.
Actually, lineage isn't that odd a choice of words when referring to an intellectual lineage or a line of students. It's done all the time in real life, whether you refer to a lineage of violin-makers who all trace their skills to one person, whether you refer to a religious antecedent, as is the case with numerous sects of Hinduism, or even a philosophical lineage.
Also, even if Zelrecht himself didn't really consider Nagato a student in anything but the loosest sense of the word, to the wider world, he is a legitimate student of Zelrecht, and the Tohsakas are one of the lineages he created nonetheless, and the one he entrusted with the Jewelled Sword design.
randumb thingken
knk has very little to say about justice. judgment of moral good or evil never really enters into it as in eg. FSN. rather its focus is explicitly pre-judicial (hmm). it's not about determining who is good or bad, or even relative degrees of either - the question in each case (except maybe 6 but lol) is instead that of life's very qualification to be the object of judgement - i.e. whether one is included within or fundamentally excluded from the judicial order. the lingering because intangible injunction of patriarchal authority - Shiki's grandfather's parting words - conceptualise murder as a radical transgression which places one entirely outside judgement - outside society - outside human life as such. Can't die a human death...by committing murder a person is stripped of life's political qualification and reduced to a state of bare life. Homo sacer. Very much in the sense developed by Giorgio Agamben (1998). In Lio we find the fullest expression of this logic - a metaphor made literal:
thingken some more. perhaps the root of this injunction - this kind of approach on the part of Shiki's grandfather - lies in the ryougi family's history as part of a demon-hunting organisation. specialised - indeed devoted - to destroying inhuman or demi-human threats. Excluded & taboo offspring of miscegenation. demon hybrids - not equal subjects under the law, rather they occupy a position of radical exteriority to it. perhaps this is why they came to think that way. Shiki - so to speak - is the last of the DHO. hmmOriginally Posted by Agamben, Homo Sacer, 1998
need to think on this further
かん汗ぎゅう牛じゅう充とう棟
Expresses the exceeding size of one's library.
Books are extremely many, loaded on an oxcart the ox will sweat.
At home piled to the ridgepole of the house, from this meaning.
Read out as 「Ushi ni ase shi, munagi ni mitsu.」
Source: 柳宗元「其為書,處則充棟宇,出則汗牛馬。」— Tang Dynasty
I actually understood that.
Ilya should be well aware of the Tohsaka family’s real connection to Zelretch though, as the inheritor of Justeaze’s will. And the Japanese word they used can mean a master/student connection too, that’s true, but it’s overwhelmingly used in the context of an actual bloodline connection and it’s more fun to imagine Zelretch the dirty old man.
...... Just what has changed in my life since then?
I do not look any different in the mirror.
Since I was an Eltnam, a once-noble house, the others treated me with contempt.
I excelled as a student to erase the sin of my ancestor.
The others wanted only to have me removed.
As long as I was the top student in the class, all they could do was ignore me.
Once I became Atlasia, I had the power to remove them.
They were afraid of my retribution.
They probably believed I would treat them in the same manner they treated me.
They did not want to receive any contempt.
I am a noble.
The blood of the sinner Eltnam runs through me, but I am not ruled by my emotions.
In the first place, I do not feel any emotions towards them anyway."Oh... like that Etherlite you have?"
"The Etherlite is a technique handed down in the Eltnam family. The foundation techniques of Atlas are Thought Acceleration and Thought Partition.
After that, acceleration and conversion alchemy is acquired."
"??? Thought Acceleration just means thinking really fast... but Thought Partition is......""Just what I said. Ciel, if you do not leave at once, I will burn up Shiki's brain."
"The artificial nervous system implanted in Shiki, my Etherlite, is connected to me through my bracelet. I can destroy his brain at any time if you do not agree to leave me alone."
"Etherlite...... I've heard of that before. I thought it sounded familiar, but the name Eltnam is related to that man... typical of Atlas. I'll accept this temporarily."
"You should not speak of knowledge gained from Roa. I am different from that man you speak of."Sion and Zepia are related by bloodA monster that drinks human blood.
A usurper who steals human blood.
That monster let me alone escape.
I asked it why it let me go.
"What do you mean? I feel sorry for my own kind."
Saying that as it smiled, it disappeared.
To think that is one of my relatives makes me so angry I could go crazy.
One in whom the blood of Eltnam flows.
The same blood of Eltnam within me.
This body which can no longer turn back.
Originally Posted by FSF 5, Chapter 14: Gold and Lions IThough abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
And sion thinking that was the connection between them was the literal problem that she struggled with in melty blood. As in, the entire game where she keeps seeking where her calculations went wrong, it was in assuming that the reason zepia was showing her consideration was because of the blood tie
In reality the connection was the similarity between their skills.
oh you mean like he chose Sion as his successor because of her abilities rather than just her blood
Yeah that's true but it might be different for vampires than for magi
Magecraft is more lineage locked than i vant to suck your blood
Originally Posted by FSF 5, Chapter 14: Gold and Lions IThough abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.