The Type-Moon Miscellaneous Thoughts Thread

[Reign]

I was also under the impression that everything was on the same tree, just Tsuki's branch cluster was further from Fate's branch cluster.

[yokushi]

I don't think there is an actual confirmation one way or another.

[Lily Emilio]

And Olga's ghost can travel between different multiverses? So can Sion's mind?

That depends, those can still be timelines within the time tree which contains the FGO world. It's like wondering if Extraverse is in its own time tree or the same tree as FGO for it to be able to send BB to FGO world. If it's in the same tree, then Buddha's NP theoretically would also prune FGO and its branches, and Goetia's plan would also fuck up Extraverse. It's confusing, yes.

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I was also under the impression that everything was on the same tree, just Tsuki's branch cluster was further from Fate's branch cluster.

There's also the matter of the Cosmo Tree in LB. Originally we thought it works like Rhongo, but with LB3 we knew that there's an entire freaking galaxy within it which is ???.

[Altaris]

I swear Buddha is one of those insanely overpowered character that most people often forgot he exists

[Laserman]

He only appears once and barely talks, so I can see why that might be.

[Megas]

I swear Buddha is one of those insanely overpowered character that most people often forgot he exists

His boss fight was pretty meh in extra.

Easier than Gawain.

[warellis]

That depends, those can still be timelines within the time tree which contains the FGO world. It's like wondering if Extraverse is in its own time tree or the same tree as FGO for it to be able to send BB to FGO world. If it's in the same tree, then Buddha's NP theoretically would also prune FGO and its branches, and Goetia's plan would also fuck up Extraverse. It's confusing, yes.

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There's also the matter of the Cosmo Tree in LB. Originally we thought it works like Rhongo, but with LB3 we knew that there's an entire freaking galaxy within it which is ???.

Do we know if Stay Night & Zero are part of the same time tree as FGO?

[ItsaRandomUsername]

Do we know if Stay Night & Zero are part of the same time tree as FGO?

They're not.

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FGO only had one Fuyuki HGW, IIRC, and we know how that one went down. And they /Zero event is pretty explicit on how it's an alternate universe.

[Reign]

I'm really curious about the implications of GO's timeline only having the one Fuyuki war. Does that mean Justeaze was still around until 2004? Did she and Zouken work with Tokiomi instead of Nagato? Or was it all set up at the same time but then for some reason never once activated until 2004.

[Bobin]

I doubt Kotomine wasn’t involved somehow.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

I'm really curious about the implications of GO's timeline only having the one Fuyuki war. Does that mean Justeaze was still around until 2004? Did she and Zouken work with Tokiomi instead of Nagato? Or was it all set up at the same time but then for some reason never once activated until 2004.

I think the latter is the easiest to explain/justify, so I think it's the one Nasu would probably pick.

[castor212]

You can't have multiple trunks because that would defeat the purpose of the pruning phenomenon as energy minimization.
It's a case of "there can only be 1"

why cant it be 1 trunk but multiple limb (tsukihime limbs, fate limbs, etc) and then the branches are the timelines

at the very least thats how i always see it

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then again i dont think i ever read something that confirms or denies this

it just made more sense to me because i remember reading something extra (or extella?) related that gives that impression. jikan toiu daijuu or something along that line, where we got 1 time trunk but there are limbs and then there are branches.

[fumei]

why cant it be 1 trunk but multiple limb (tsukihime limbs, fate limbs, etc) and then the branches are the timelines

at the very least thats how i always see it

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then again i dont think i ever read something that confirms or denies this

it just made more sense to me because i remember reading something extra (or extella?) related that gives that impression. jikan toiu daijuu or something along that line, where we got 1 time trunk but there are limbs and then there are branches.

Because the energy conservation bases itself on "lines that deviate too far from others are no good", so if the only thing needed to circumvent that is for another "limb" to form, then what's stopping the countless branches from eventually just spawning enough limbs to give room for all these lines anyway, and ultimately use up all the energy regardless?

Dunno if I explained that well but it's how I understand You's interpretation.

[castor212]

obviously the ones that are too different is no good

im not saying it should endlessly spawn, just that seeing the degree of the differences the lostbelts are i dont really feel tsuki limbs and fate limbs are that much different in terms of progress that they warrant different tree altogether as opposed to just different limbs whose branhces got trimmed regularly

at least thats my view on it

its not a hill id die on tho so like if there's something that can outright disprove it im fine with it

[You]

Dunno if I explained that well but it's how I understand You's interpretation.

yeah p much

[You]

why cant it be 1 trunk but multiple limb (tsukihime limbs, fate limbs, etc) and then the branches are the timelines

at the very least thats how i always see it

Well



Also Romani hypothesizes Fate Zero and Fate GO are close to the center of the trunk in the Zero Collab.
For what you're saying to be true, Tsukihime Worlds would have to cluster on one edge of the trunk.

But proto-worlds are called 異世界 so they aren't on this tree or are designated for pruning.

Tbh tinfoil but since we known pruning and stuff happens because of Alaya and the human unconsciousness. What if in the Tsukihime Worlds because the Human Order is weak, pruning and QTLs just stopped happening at one point. And that lack of energy is the coming of the Sixth.

[Constructman]

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Also Romani hypothesizes Fate Zero and Fate GO are close to the center of the trunk in the Zero Collab.
For what you're saying to be true, Tsukihime Worlds would have to cluster on one edge of the trunk.

But proto-worlds are called 異世界 so they aren't on this tree or are designated for pruning.

Tbh tinfoil but since we known pruning and stuff happens because of Alaya and the human unconsciousness. What if in the Tsukihime Worlds because the Human Order is weak, pruning and QTLs just stopped happening at one point. And that lack of energy is the coming of the Sixth.

Proto worlds as in the world of Fate/Prototype, or something else? And is the world of Extra on the same tree as Zero and GO or on another tree?

[You]

Proto worlds as in the world of Fate/Prototype, or something else? And is the world of Extra on the same tree as Zero and GO or on another tree?

Yes, Fate Prototype and fragments.

Extra is controversial. But from what I've read this seems to be the best argument until we get more information.
In Accel Order we have this from Waver

貴方が言っているのは大幹の並行世界群……
多少の差違はあっても未来は同じになる編纂事象と、
完全に別世界になり、いずれ滅びる枝葉の並行世界……剪定事象の話だな。

What you're talking about is the cluster of parallel worlds in the trunk
The compiled events which vary a little but have the same future and
The completely different worlds, the parallel worlds that form the foliage which will perish.... the pruned events.

From the Extella homepage

stay nightから派生し、全く違う未来を歩んだ世界

Derived from stay night, but a world which walks towards a completely different future.

By the definitions we're given here Extra is like Prototype.

[Historia]

So where does Nero's mom fit into all of this.

[warellis]

So wait, does that mean Fate/Prototype's world is designated for pruning?

Hmm where would Prisma worlds be then?

So where does Nero's mom fit into all of this.

Some sort of QTL I guess?