The Type-Moon Miscellaneous Thoughts Thread

[Rafflesiac]

I miss when Jeanne was an attention seeking harlot seething in unbridled envy at the popularity of other characters.

>tfw no microbikini ascension on swimsuit jeanne

[Reign]

CapSaba event in GO when?

[Deathhappens]

I did like the idea of Sieg, something that isn't even human, fighting against someone who was no longer human for humanity's right to choose its own future. He found the hope for humanity that Amakusa had lost. They're good foils.

As much as I hated Siegfried exiting stage left for Sieg's benefit, it's another neat little callback to Shirou E. inheriting someone's heroic legacy and wrestling with what that really means.

He's bundled up in some interesting thematic ideas. It's just the execution that leaves a lot to be desired. I might have been more excited for anything he had to do or had to say if he could be exciting in the first place. There's a reason he's nicknamed Cardboard-kun.

Which is why I still believe that Mordred and Kairi should have been the leads. Father-child relationships are old hat in Fate, but it was the first time we ever got to see something quite like that. The mortal becoming the legend's father figure was an interesting twist on the more usual beats of the human falling in love with the Servant or the Servant filling in as Father. Sieg seemed a little too hung up on repeating Shirou's beats, right down to Jeanne as his Artoria.

Maybe the reason I found Sieg's thematic significance so lacking is that I never disputed his status as human internally; artificially created, sure, but human all the same. The trouble is that by the end of the story he's carrying not just one, but two Heroic Spirit's worth of power, and that power is the one doing the heavy lifting; the impact of the "human named Sieg" is limited to at most shouting a bit, while the powers drag him forward through the plot. He's supposed to be a blank slate discovering his character, except despite his extended screentime he never had enough time to grow into a character, merely a bundle of powers held together by the vague impression of an ideal.
Worlds apart from Shirou's complex mentality and balancing act between impossible ideal and realistic expectation.

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Is Jeanne any better in FGO?

Insofar as she gets a better role to play, sure. Her character doesn't actually change.

[Magikewl]

Some of y’all are about to be real mad at me but it must be said

Both Jeanne and Sieg are incredibly boring characters and therefore deserve each other. In fact i believe they should be isolated from everyone else so as to not infect others with their basicness

[You]

Should have just let Higashide write gun nut Higashide instead of Takeuchi and the french girl that got away.

[LJ3]

Takeuchi and the french girl that got away.

He's never gonna live this down

[AmADo VII]

Some of y’all are about to be real mad at me but it must be said

Both Jeanne and Sieg are incredibly boring characters and therefore deserve each other. In fact i believe they should be isolated from everyone else so as to not infect others with their basicness

then who is not boring character to you?

[Ruisu]

I mean, I'm mad at that statement, but you're aware that his answer could just as well be a huge list of any number of the other TM characters right

[Rafflesiac]

>his

[Stevethepi]

then who is not boring character to you?

I'm pretty sure the answer to that question is whatever allows Magikewl to seem sassiest.

[Ruisu]

>his

crap, still not used to using they as the default pronoun when I don't know the person's preference

[Menwearpink]

Jeanne is more boring than Sieg tbh. She’s ok in jokes.

[warellis]

I'm wondering, would you say Kiritsugu's motivations for wanting world peace are sort of deep or do you feel they're sort of cliche?

I kind of feel there isn't much to him beyond his guns & magic character wise because the motivations for his dream feel sort of standard, IMO at least.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

I'm wondering, would you say Kiritsugu's motivations for wanting world peace are sort of deep or do you feel they're sort of cliche?

I kind of feel there isn't much to him beyond his guns & magic character wise because the motivations for his dream feel sort of standard, IMO at least.

In between. They're not exactly original or super deep, but nor are they cliche. I like what emotional depth and lack of depth he has to offer, especially because IMO, he is the real shadow archetype of Saber, and that isn't really acknowledged in story.

[warellis]

It seems to be sort of acknowledged in the LNs where Kiritsugu has that speech against Heroic Spirits, right after Saber had to chop of Kayneth's head.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

It seems to be sort of acknowledged in the LNs where Kiritsugu has that speech against Heroic Spirits, right after Saber had to chop of Kayneth's head.

Kinda, but still, I think Kiritsugu and Saber both consciously avoid thinking about their similarities, and the narrative follows suit, hinting at it, but not going much further.

Now that I'm on this topic, I'm sure it's not an unusual opinion that this is the real source of their conflict. Not their differences so to speak, but their fundamental similarities and how both absolutely hate the other for it.

[Rafflesiac]

I mean

duh

[Deathhappens]

I'm wondering, would you say Kiritsugu's motivations for wanting world peace are sort of deep or do you feel they're sort of cliche?

I kind of feel there isn't much to him beyond his guns & magic character wise because the motivations for his dream feel sort of standard, IMO at least.

I mean, one doesn't really negate the other. He can be a deep and well-developed character and still have unoriginal or "cliché" motivations.

[Dullahan]

memo to self: elaborate on kiritsugu & shirou characters in terms of freudian repetition-compulsion...may open the path to more general freudian reading of fate. seems pretty clear in K.'s case. compulsion to repeat/recreate in form the traumatic initial situation (shirley in chicken coop). over and over, puts himself into these situations where something structurally identical to a trolley problem is forced upon him. why?

e: behaviour that cannot be explained by the pleasure-principle. K. as personality dominated by death-drive. what then does this suggest wrt the AM confrontation??? must investigate further

[Trubo]

>tfw no microbikini ascension on swimsuit jeanne

>tfw Jeanne (Archer) has boneitis in her art and sprite.

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