The Type-Moon Miscellaneous Thoughts Thread

[warellis]

My worst enemy...thighhighs.

Thighhighs are your friends

With friends like these, who needs enemies?

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

Thighhighs are your friends

Don't tell me what to think.

[forumghost]

Don't tell me what to think.

I mean, it's entirely within your rights to chose to be objectively wrong on every conceivable level, but facts is facts.

[Zurvan]

Don't tell me what to think.

Allow me to elucidate who your true enemy is

it's you, you are your own worst enemy

[weeblord]

random thoughts, elizabeth being sumoned by a master who is an actual idol group manager

Well, we do have AkabaneP as a master

[Dullahan]

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Do servants have 'wishes' worth mentioning anymore? in f/sn much was made of this device, the only reason you can summon a given HS as a servant as all is because they have some wish they want from the holy grail which induces them to answer the call. you couldn't just fill your servant container with anyone. only one who left something incomplete, as it were, in life, would actually respond to you. as a device it had its value. it drew out something of the classical ghost story ('unfinished business') from the servant. insofar as you can make the 'servant' concept interesting this is one of the good ways. it worked to foreground the servant character as a site of disjunction between symbolic (heroic) identity and personality. NOT having a wish was at the very least odd, exceptional.

now of course we have dispensed with the notion of the grail as an omnipotent wish-granter (indeed we dispensed with it by the last route of f/sn) and the 'grails' which appear in f/go or wherever else servants show up these days are tenuously if at all connected to that business in fuyuki. yet some cinder of the notion still exists. every f/go appearance has in their myroom lines a section called 'seihai ni tsuite' where they talk about their wish. 'wish' in quotation marks. i was reading some of these earlier. trivial, retarded bullshit, all of them. now presumably we can attribute some of this to the evident broadening of the 'heroic spirit' label to include celebrities, bureaucrats, things that aren't human, glorified prostitutes, and authors of popular children's books - it becomes more difficult to imagine that lack, that incompletion or gap between the symbolic/heroic identity and the personality when the heroic identity is so mundane. but all the same. if they're just going to give servants wishes like "lol idk", "i want my friends to get along", "loads of money" "private health insurance" (all culled at random from recent fgo additions) why even sustain the pretense? drop the category entirely. let pokemon be pokemon

[Dullahan]

of course the triviality of participant motivation cannot be considered in isolation from the general inflation of 'scale' evident in tm story developments. when what is at stake is THE ENTIRE WORLD PAST AND FUTURE ALL REALITY CRISIS ON INFINITE LOSTBELTS it is difficult to engineer individual motivations worth complex exploration. why bother.

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you're waifu a shit lol

[forumghost]

Trivial reasons to participate have always been a thing. Cu's reason for being summoned was literally "Cuz I wanna fite stronk gaiz"

[Dullahan]

I am aware of this.

[Zurvan]

There's some interludes that point towards their wishes being relevant to some of these heroes

but why alter a long standing template, for example just because DnD 5e doesn't really care at its core for alignment anymore doesnt mean you should just remove it

[Tobias]

Trivial reasons to participate have always been a thing. Cu's reason for being summoned was literally "Cuz I wanna fite stronk gaiz"

Which isn’t actually unreasonable you know. One of the therapy groups I run notes that if you are bored long enough you will do juuuuuuuust about anything to kill 10 minutes and there are only so many episodes of CSI

[Mcjon01]

and there are only so many episodes of CSI

As a former NEET I'm not sure that's actually true, I watched hours and hours of reruns every day and they never seemed to run out
Though getting padded by episodes of Bones, Castle, and Criminal Minds probably contributed

[Dullahan]

apocalypse is hard. writing an original world-ending threat (prerequisite to Sayving Da Wurld or whatever irrelevant thing you're supposed to be doing in fgo) is incredibly hard. most writers cannot do it at all. nasu can't. his subcontractors certainly can't. so they cheat. which is to say they copy someone else's work. this process has iterated. we deal in copies of copies of copies. some degradation in the process is inevitable

first person shirou going insane in HF is more interesting than the obliteration of the entire human race in fgo. consider why this is.

interiority > exteriority.

interiority was always where nasu did best. yet he's locked himself into this production process where interior content is overdetermined by external form. a game (read: content delivery system) which structurally demands a cipher of a protagonist & other associated nonsense.

sad!

[Zurvan]

[Rafflesiac]

...

There's a fan club for this dude

[fumei]

so they cheat. which is to say they copy someone else's work. this process has iterated. we deal in copies of copies of copies.

What is "the majority of all writing", Alex

[Tobias]

What is "the majority of all writing", Alex

Smut?

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

There's a fan club for this dude

You serious? It does in some way explain his obstinacy.

[Zurvan]

There's fan clubs for almost every somewhat relevant character on BL tho?

[falseCeilings]

The wishes are more or less relevant in Zero, SN, SF and Apocrypha, with certain Servants never caring for them or having trivial wishes.

GO doesn't deal with an omnipotent wish-granting cup, or does so only tangentially, so there's no reason to focus on wishes I'd assume.

Servant's wishes are as an important plot point as the author wants it.