Lance knewOriginally Posted by Mcjon01
Agravaine knew
Don't think Mordred knew
That's it I believe. 4/13.
Lance knew
Agravaine knew
Don't think Mordred knew
That's it I believe. 4/13.
Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
I believe Lancelot's whole character is repressed homoerotic masochism.
I'm pretty sure all of the Arthurian knights are gluttons for punishment.
Spoiler:
According to Garden of Avalon, besides Merlin-Kay-Ector (pretty sure Ector knew), Guinevere knew (duh), and through her Lancelot also knew; Agravaine also discovered it.
But Kay actually says in GoA that he thought the secret wouldn't last too long because it was kind of obvious, and I took it like he was implying that as long as she played the part of the perfect king the kings didn't really cared, rather than that they didn't know
eh, I dunno. maybe half.
I thought Bedivere and Lancelot both knew.
My entire argument and the only thing I'm interested in arguing, as that calling the Britons(?) stupid for not noticing that Artoria was female because she's wearing a skirt, is stupid.
If you're going to dismiss historical accuracy for skirts being unisex back then, and that she totally should've been found out because of the skirt, then I don't understand your line of reasoning, beyond just "I think it's feminine, therefore they must have thought so too". Because the argument is not only inaccurate historically (and your point about togas and whatever pointless), but in-universe.
Why, then, would you assume that the dress she wore at the time of her rule was something considered feminine, other than you, at present day, think it's feminine? Do we have any precedent, in-universe, for her clothes to be considered feminine dress in 6th-century England? If she could wear it and wasn't pinned as a female by virtue of just wearing it, then clearly it wasn't clear-cut feminine. And considering several other characters had similar designs but didn't arouse suspicion (mostly Mordred's original design-- even though she was female here, she was largely regarded as male in-universe IIRC), then perhaps this style of dress was not considered feminine.
Linger: Complete. August, 1995. I met him. A branch off Part 3. Mikiya keeps his promise to meet Azaka, and meets again with that mysterious girl he once found in the rain.
Shinkai: Set in the Edo period. DHO-centric. As mysterious figures gather in the city, a young woman unearths the dark secrets of the Asakami family.
The Dollkeeper: A Fate side-story. The memoirs of the last tuner of the Einzberns. A record of the end of a family.
Overcount 2030: Extra x Notes. A girl with no memories is found by a nameless soldier, and wakes up to a world of war.
Bedi did not know.
Though abandoned, forgotten, and scorned as out-of-date dolls, they continue to carry out their mission, unchanged from the time they were designed.
Machines do not lose their worth when a newer model appears.
Their worth (life) ends when humans can no longer bear that purity.
That's where you're mistaken, actually: first, for thinking "skirts were unisex"; secondly, for thinking that we shouldn't take into account that the setting isn't a faithful recreation of historical periods and was actually designed by modern people who clearly follow modern concepts of genders.
Also, don't be dishonest: your argument was actually that people already knew Arturia was a woman and didn't care about that (your specific words were "They make it a specific point that even if they knew her gender, they wouldn't care because she was a good king"). You only changed it to the current "skirts were unisex back then!" once that statement had been steadily disproven.
Hence why I said "take that as you will". :-) Although I think he does use feminine pronous when referring to her in the subs.
Last edited by SpoonyViking; February 28th, 2016 at 09:52 PM.
Pretty sure she did.
GoA
Last edited by forumghost; February 28th, 2016 at 09:54 PM.
...Isn't that being said by Lancelot, though?
Derp, thought he said that Gwen didn't know
Then please, show me when, back then, when skirts were distinctively feminine back then because I can't find anything that says that.
And your second point, that this period is viewed through a modern lens, doesn't hold water when the other characters wear similar outfits and are not thought to be women. It would, if Saber's dress was a single, isolated example, but it's not.
Linger: Complete. August, 1995. I met him. A branch off Part 3. Mikiya keeps his promise to meet Azaka, and meets again with that mysterious girl he once found in the rain.
Shinkai: Set in the Edo period. DHO-centric. As mysterious figures gather in the city, a young woman unearths the dark secrets of the Asakami family.
The Dollkeeper: A Fate side-story. The memoirs of the last tuner of the Einzberns. A record of the end of a family.
Overcount 2030: Extra x Notes. A girl with no memories is found by a nameless soldier, and wakes up to a world of war.
Bedivere was a girl too?
DEEN was right all along.
something something DEEN something something
(Either that or I'm an idiot that failed my comprehension check, whatever works)
I for one would be happy to have another Noto Servant.
Rereading the ending to Fate, Bedivere chose to get near Arthur to support the cause and also hopefully see past the king's mask. As she lays there dying the narration switches from referring to her with 'he' and starts using 'she.' I guess this gave me the impression that Bedivere knew all along but I guess my memory mixed up the narrator with his internal monologue. Though it actually still sounds pretty ambiguous to me.
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