The Type-Moon Miscellaneous Thoughts Thread

[Dullahan]

TIL coming to an understanding through reasoned discourse = being a moron

[warellis]

the formulation was a bit awkward. but no i'm not saying that. i mean to say that the notion of an RM within nasu's systematisation of 'magic' (scare quotes necessary) is a particularly pronounced, perhaps the most pronounced, example of how that systematisation portrays 'magic' as a kind of non-alienated technology - not as something outside the human which confronts it as other, external, but something thoroughly inside, intimate, familiar, coextensive with the will. the RM is, pointedly, identical with the will, the mind, the soul - it is the direct realisation of the innermost essence. yet this realisation takes the form of a violent imposition over nature/the outside world...nasu's sharp enough to think the dialectic through that far.

in addition, concerning the third point about the 'personalisation' of 'magic' being possibly a reflection for the endo-colonisation of the subject by technology: i was mistaken in my remarks about where it could be found. in fact nasu articulates it quite interestingly in all the (FSN era, at least) business about the 'magus' archetype lifestyle. the introjection of technology overcomes the alienation between you and technology ('s power) at the cost of a deepened alienation between yourself and the social world/normative morality/normies etc. in another sense, technology overtakes you - you become its servo-mechanism, a mere proxy for the perpetuation of the Crest through generations. a certain coldness must ensue.

hm.

This kind of reminds me of what Caster tells Shirou in Hollow Ataraxia:

"Hmmm, the combination of magic and everyday life. Caster, what do you think about that?"

Since I don't know a lot of magi, I'm a little curious.

"That though in itself is incorrect, boy. 'Magic' and 'everyday life' cannot coexist. You should not even think about combing them. The fundamentals of magic are "distortion and reversal." No matter what kind of magic it is, when used, it will distort the norm. Therefore, if you want to live correctly, you have to separate magic from normal life."

"You can't live in both worlds?"

"You must wholly life in both worlds, that is. A magus is someone who crosses that boundary all the time. He is free to focus on either side, but he must never try to erase the line that separates both. In order to fully immerse yourself in magic, you must exclude your normal life. Once you choose that path as a human, you create an inner and an outer face in order to master it. Then you can start deciding how to live as a person divided between magic and real life."

"Then what about you? You are Kuzuki-sensei's wife now, but what about your side as a magus?"

"It's no different from what it used to be, naturally. I have no doubts about the magus side of myself. I just use my powers as I see fit. But it's true that nowdays, I don't turn into my magus self as often as I have in the past."

That you have to live a dual life, separating both parts.

[LegalLoliLover]

coming to an understanding through reasoned discourse

Well, someone doesn't know how Chinese sovereigns talk. People like that will never directly ask for something. Instead of begging for mercy, of course, they will say something along the lines of "killing me will start a new war". It's just like Perrault of Soul Liquid Chambers saying "killing me will set the world recovery back by centuries". This is coming from the same culture that the requirement for being emperor is rejecting that offer 9 times over.

[SpoonyViking]

That's not supported by the actual movie being referenced.

[LegalLoliLover]

Trust me. The Emperor knew that Nameless was going to be shot in the back afterwards during said discussion.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

Anyone think the Pokemon Necrozma is a little too similar to ORT for it to be coincidental? Seems like it to me...

[Zurvan]

You know what ORT looks like?

[SpoonyViking]

Trust me. The Emperor knew that Nameless was going to be shot in the back afterwards during said discussion.

Sorry, I'd rather trust the actual movie. :-)

[pinetree]

Anyone think the Pokemon Necrozma is a little too similar to ORT for it to be coincidental? Seems like it to me...

They look nothing alike though

[Altima of the Gates]

Man, they are really having a blast together. I can dig it.

[fumei]

Anyone think the Pokemon Necrozma is a little too similar to ORT for it to be coincidental? Seems like it to me...

Sorry to break it to you but you might be blind sorry you had to hear it from me like this

[Deathhappens]

If he was blind how would he read your comment

checkmate flatearthers

[asterism42]

a text to speech program

[Deathhappens]

...I guess you win this one.

[LegalLoliLover]

Sorry, I'd rather trust the actual movie. :-)

I would like to think that the Emperor knows the laws of his own country.

[Mcjon01]

Just to confirm, F/GO Jing Ke is a version of Jing Ke who tried her very best and failed, not that Nameless moron from Hero who got cold feet at the last minute, right? In terms of killing Qin Shihuang, I mean.

You seem to have trouble empathizing with people so as an exercise let’s pretend that instead of unifying China, Qin is running on a platform of “lolis for everyone” and sacrificing yourself will let him make it a reality while killing him will banish all lolis, forever

Are you, Nameless, still a moron for choosing the former?

[LegalLoliLover]

That scenario is a bit too ridiculous to consider. It's more that one option leads to my death, and the other leads to 20000 gold coins (yes, a reference to https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Hail_Sithis!). Again, "uniting the land" is pretty cliche imperial spiel, like Soul Liquid Chambers' Perrault talking about world restoration. Now that I think about it, ditto with Fallout 3's President Eden.

[Mcjon01]

I mean the other option leads to your death too lol
You’re not getting out alive after killing the king in the middle of the capital you know

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As soon as you put yourself in that situation it’s just a matter of choosing what you’re dying for

[RoydGolden]

I mean the other option leads to your death too lol
You’re not getting out alive after killing the king in the middle of the capital you know

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As soon as you put yourself in that situation it’s just a matter of choosing what you’re dying for

It's not for nothing that "there's no point having second thoughts about assassinating the emperor after you've already broken into the palace" is a saying in China. Win or lose, you're not getting out of there alive.

[aldeayeah]

You know what ORT looks like?

You don't?

(There's an official design in Character Material)