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    Mordred and Kairi were awesome because they are not the leads.

    and remember what Sanda did to Siegfried?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmADo VII View Post
    so only Kinoko is allowed to use plot device?
    No? I'm fine with both instances using said plot device, but since you asked which is more believable I simply replied that I found Shirou's case easier to swallow for the aforementioned reasons.

    It wasn't a slight at either F/SN nor F/Apo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruisu View Post
    I know it took very long, like an eternity or something, at least in-universe. When I say it doesn't feel earned is more about how their relationship developed and how when comparing to Shirou and Saber, having the trials and stuff from subsequent routes (specially HF) makes the reader feel like the true ending is more of an reward while the scene with sieg and jeanne just felt like a spoon of sugar at the credits.

    I guess FSN it just makes you feel the absence of saber more effectively.
    That was kind of my point. It could have worked, but it was poorly executed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skull View Post
    No? I'm fine with both instances using said plot device, but since you asked which is more believable I simply replied that I found Shirou's case easier to swallow for the aforementioned reasons.

    It wasn't a slight at either F/SN nor F/Apo.
    I actually cannot see why. It makes more sense IMO to reach the Reverse Side via the Throne of Heroes as a Heroic Spirit than Shirou somehow stumbling across Avalon without combusting.
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    Really, all 3 of the romances in F/SN are 'for want of a nail' kind of situations.
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    You mean because Shirou winds up falling for the first of the three that he Nailed?
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    I dunno why rin gets so much flack for actually being an equal partner in the routei mean, donít get me wrong, seibah foí life and all, but seriouslysaber ends up doing the lionís share of the work so itís not really an equal partnership, and Sakura was damsel in distress, UBW is the only one where you have two people who use their strengths and shared feelings to compliment and overcome each otherís Weaknesses to achieve their goals, and for some reason that makes rin less of a heroine?dah fuck is that logic?!

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    the question is, would you play Apo, Fake, and Prototype VN if they made it?

    that's the only fair thing for Kinoko's co-writers.
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    To be fair I don't hate it, Sieg and Jeanne's pairing. This is repeating what people always say about apocrypha, but it was probably a result of lacking focus in the story.




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    Quote Originally Posted by AmADo VII View Post
    you think it's fair to compare FSN with other non canon Fate works?
    Well, yeah of course.

    -looks at FGO-


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    Quote Originally Posted by AmADo VII View Post
    Mordred and Kairi were awesome because they are not the leads.

    and remember what Sanda did to Siegfried?
    What did Sanda have to do with Siegfried?
    Quote Originally Posted by Deathhappens View Post
    Really, all 3 of the romances in F/SN are 'for want of a nail' kind of situations.
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    You mean because Shirou winds up falling for the first of the three that he Nailed?
    Quote Originally Posted by Tobias View Post
    I dunno why rin gets so much flack for actually being an equal partner in the routei mean, donít get me wrong, seibah foí life and all, but seriouslysaber ends up doing the lionís share of the work so itís not really an equal partnership, and Sakura was damsel in distress, UBW is the only one where you have two people who use their strengths and shared feelings to compliment and overcome each otherís Weaknesses to achieve their goals, and for some reason that makes rin less of a heroine?dah fuck is that logic?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirGauoftheSquareTable View Post
    What did Sanda have to do with Siegfried?
    Touko burned Siegfried's catalyst in case files which is canon.

    it became meme that made Sanda being unable to roll Waver for long time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmADo VII View Post
    Touko burned Siegfried's catalyst in case files which is canon.

    it became meme that made Sanda being unable to roll Waver for long time.
    Goddamit Sanda and Touko. FSN timeline deserved sumanai-kun!!
    Quote Originally Posted by Deathhappens View Post
    Really, all 3 of the romances in F/SN are 'for want of a nail' kind of situations.
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    You mean because Shirou winds up falling for the first of the three that he Nailed?
    Quote Originally Posted by Tobias View Post
    I dunno why rin gets so much flack for actually being an equal partner in the routei mean, donít get me wrong, seibah foí life and all, but seriouslysaber ends up doing the lionís share of the work so itís not really an equal partnership, and Sakura was damsel in distress, UBW is the only one where you have two people who use their strengths and shared feelings to compliment and overcome each otherís Weaknesses to achieve their goals, and for some reason that makes rin less of a heroine?dah fuck is that logic?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirGauoftheSquareTable View Post
    I actually cannot see why. It makes more sense IMO to reach the Reverse Side via the Throne of Heroes as a Heroic Spirit than Shirou somehow stumbling across Avalon without combusting.
    Why though? We've seen and read about people in the modern era stumbling, or being taken in to fairy lands before. The Great Cat Village, for example, seems to be one of those fairy lands. And then there's the case of Kurogiri who can speak the Unified Language after being abducted by fairies.

    So what makes Shirou being able to stumble into Avalon, a miracle in of itself after doing another miracle of being fixated on Saber his whole life after the end of the Fate route, so weird in that regard?

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    All I was saying was that Jeanne's route to the Reverse Side is more believable, not that Shirou's stumbling into Avalon is impossible. In any case, you do have a point about human stumbling into the Reverse Side.
    Quote Originally Posted by Deathhappens View Post
    Really, all 3 of the romances in F/SN are 'for want of a nail' kind of situations.
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    You mean because Shirou winds up falling for the first of the three that he Nailed?
    Quote Originally Posted by Tobias View Post
    I dunno why rin gets so much flack for actually being an equal partner in the routei mean, donít get me wrong, seibah foí life and all, but seriouslysaber ends up doing the lionís share of the work so itís not really an equal partnership, and Sakura was damsel in distress, UBW is the only one where you have two people who use their strengths and shared feelings to compliment and overcome each otherís Weaknesses to achieve their goals, and for some reason that makes rin less of a heroine?dah fuck is that logic?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmADo VII View Post
    so which one sounds more believable, Shirou reaching Avalon or Jeanne went to reverse side of the world?
    They are both not good and worse than Bedivere.
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    Jeanne is kinda boring in Apo but i’ve warned up to Sieg a lot.

    thematically being a double fake winter fairy (Musik offbrand rip off of an Einzbern Homunculus) that becomes Siegfried and Fafnir then steals away the Rhinegold (Grail) away from mankind is pretty fitting too.

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    Sieg is super dorky in GO he's a good boy.

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    Is Jeanne any better in FGO?

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    I actually really love the Fafnir/Siegfried duality thing that apocrypha introduced, made me appreciate Sieg's transformation at the end a lot more. Also it helps understand why Siegfried gets his dragon appendages in FGO.




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    Quote Originally Posted by warellis View Post
    Is Jeanne any better in FGO?
    Yes. She was good in Orleans.
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