The Type-Moon Miscellaneous Thoughts Thread

[Laserman]

You root for him because you only watched the anime and never saw how the novel portrayed him as a creepy obsessive weirdo from the get-go

I remember him being a normal guy at the beginning, he can't be that different in the novel.

[Magikewl]

There’s a part in the prologue IIRC that describes how Kariya can always track down Aoi no matter where she is which i guess is supposed to sound sweet and romantic but when i first read it i kept thinking about how Aoi needs to get a restraining order and some mace

[forumghost]

I remember him being a normal guy at the beginning, he can't be that different in the novel.

It's not that he's different so much as the fact that we get a better look at his internal processing, which makes it abundantly clear that he was always more interesting in killing Tokiomi so that he could have Aoi for himself then he was saving Sakura.

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There’s a part in the prologue IIRC that describes how Kariya can always track down Aoi no matter where she is which i guess is supposed to sound sweet and romantic but when i first read it i kept thinking about how Aoi needs to get a restraining order and some mace

No I feel like you had it right the first time.

[Bobin]

The ultimate end of what Matō Kariya seeks is only the showdown with Tōsaka Tokiomi. Not considering his chances of winning, in the event that he was in the end victorious over Tokiomi and furthermore obtained the Grail— at that time, what will Kariya face?... It did not even require thought; it must be his own darkness. Originally for the sake of helping Aoi reclaim her daughter, but now to claim the life of Aoi's husband. He still seemed unaware this contradiction. No, rather than to say he is unaware, one might say he is, because of the jealousy and selfishness of his heart, intentionally deceiving himself and hiding this feeling. When facing that bloodstained victory, Matō Kariya will definitely sink into the dilemma of having to face the ugliness of his own heart.

Now this doesn't detract Kariya wanting to save Sakura from being a noble act in itself, just don't ignore that he was doing it for his raging hateboner against Tokiomi and fantasizing that Aoi wanted the same thing that he wanted.

[Reign]

Tokiomi did everything wrong.

[OverMaster]

So what does that say when most people root for him? That people like that kind of stuff?

I mean, even if his methods are incompetent and questionable, he's still the only person in the cast trying to do anything to save the little girl from being constantly raped by worms as a dirty old man watches on. I figure that has something to do with his popularity.

[Reign]

I mean, even if his methods are incompetent and questionable, he's still the only person in the cast trying to do anything to save the little girl from being constantly raped by worms as a dirty old man watches on. I figure that has something to do with his popularity.

To be fair no one else knew that was going on, though. In GO's Zero event, once Iskandar found out he burned down the Matou house and saved her.

Then he took her as his slave until Kariya agreed to cut off his own hand in payment, but still, he saved her once he learned about the worms.

[SeiKeo]

Anime Secondaries.

Sure, YMVW, but I've never seen this as a big Kariya demographic

[Skull]

To be fair no one else knew that was going on, though. In GO's Zero event, once Iskandar found out he burned down the Matou house and saved her.
Then he took her as his slave until Kariya agreed to cut off his own hand in payment, but still, he saved her once he learned about the worms.

I would be curious to see Tokiomi's reaction in that situation, though sadly I can't see him being popular enough to show up in something like GO.

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

Kariya is a Nice Guy later revealed to have terrible, selfish motives. Kerry is a jackass who has a genuinely good motive.

Said good motive is also really stupid.

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Now this doesn't detract Kariya wanting to save Sakura from being a noble act in itself, just don't ignore that he was doing it for his raging hateboner against Tokiomi and fantasizing that Aoi wanted the same thing that he wanted.

So in a sense, he's like HF Shirou if Sakura DIDN'T want to be saved and her "danger" was mostly a delusion cocked up in his head.

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I would be curious to see Tokiomi's reaction in that situation, though sadly I can't see him being popular enough to show up in something like GO.

Same. I actually wish we got more Tokiomi in general. Actually, I'd want to learn more about the past Tohsakas in general, especially the Third Grail War Master and Nagato's daughter.

[OverMaster]

So in a sense, he's like HF Shirou if Sakura DIDN'T want to be saved and her "danger" was mostly a delusion cocked up in his head.

Now I'm picturing a perfectly loving and healthy Zouken and Shinji dining with Sakura while Shirou bangs on their window shouting. Shinji raises an eyebrow, then calmly tells Sakura, "We really have to do something about that guy, Sis."

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

Now I'm picturing a perfectly loving and healthy Zouken and Shinji dining with Sakura while Shirou bangs on their window shouting. Shinji raises an eyebrow, then calmly tells Sakura, "We really have to do something about that guy, Sis."

And now I'm busting a gut laughing. Thanks.

[asterism42]

In what way does Kariya of all people contrast with Kiritsugu?

Kerry actually gets to fuck the girl he loves and/or is obsessed with

[warellis]

Now I'm picturing a perfectly loving and healthy Zouken and Shinji dining with Sakura while Shirou bangs on their window shouting. Shinji raises an eyebrow, then calmly tells Sakura, "We really have to do something about that guy, Sis."

Well he has one thing over Kariya. He isn't homeless, so he's less of a hobo there.

Kerry actually gets to fuck the girl he loves and/or is obsessed with

And cheat on said love with another lady as well.

I guess he has Kariya beat 2x over?

[OverMaster]

Kerry actually gets to fuck the girl he loves and/or is obsessed with

Yeah, but I mean, that's kind of an unfair comparison.

Kariya doesn't get the attentions of an adult woman who has been won over by a smooth, suave handsome man who is rich as hell.

Kerry gets the attentions of someone who literally has never walked out of Papa's house, is barely any older than the baby she's just given birth to, and was intended to be pretty much a gift wife for Kiritsugu to fuck until it's time to sacrifice her to Magical Wish Granting Cup.

I'd say that pre-bugs, the somewhat still normal runaway from a family of dicks who just wants to settle with a family would be more attractive to any normal woman than the edgy traumatized killer for hire with grandiose dreams of Utopia.

[Mcjon01]

I'd say that pre-bugs, the somewhat still normal runaway from a family of dicks who just wants to settle with a family would be more attractive to any normal woman than the edgy traumatized killer for hire with grandiose dreams of Utopia.

Not according to every movie I’ve ever watched

[OverMaster]

Movies, by their own nature of being more often than not about quirky and/or remarkable individuals, rarely are about normal people.

[forumghost]

I mean that goes without saying. Just think about how boring a movie about your own life would be.

[Spartacus]

sounds like Oscar bait movies

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

Not according to every movie I’ve ever watched

Yeah. In those, Kerry is the biggest catch.

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Yeah, but I mean, that's kind of an unfair comparison.

Kariya doesn't get the attentions of an adult woman who has been won over by a smooth, suave handsome man who is rich as hell.

Kerry gets the attentions of someone who literally has never walked out of Papa's house, is barely any older than the baby she's just given birth to, and was intended to be pretty much a gift wife for Kiritsugu to fuck until it's time to sacrifice her to Magical Wish Granting Cup.

I'd say that pre-bugs, the somewhat still normal runaway from a family of dicks who just wants to settle with a family would be more attractive to any normal woman than the edgy traumatized killer for hire with grandiose dreams of Utopia.

It was Tokiomi's goatee man. That "charm point" of his screwed over Kariya.

Also, despite how disturbing Kiritsugu x Iri sounds when you think about it, it still was genuinely sweet and heartfelt.

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I mean that goes without saying. Just think about how boring a movie about your own life would be.

That's assuming you're not the most interesting man in the world. Stay frosty.