The Type-Moon Miscellaneous Thoughts Thread

[AmADo VII]

Fergus was trash but Deon, Astolfo and Columbus were amazing

but the trash made real money.

[Rafflesiac]

Columbus is a treasure.

[Iceblade44]

Fergus was trash but Deon, Astolfo and Columbus were amazing

For me, he was boring until the ending.

[GundamFSN]

Mata Hari would have been ground into a fine dust by Karna, for one.

Eh. I think Sieg's just gonna strip dance and seduce everyone to go against Amakusa.

Goddamn sumanai-sannnnn

[SpoonyViking]

Honestly though, there is just more "potential" in Fate than in the other franchises imo.

Hm, I don't know if that's a fair assessment. Shirou's, Saber's, Rin's and Sakura's stories are more or less finished by the end of Fate. Sure, we know they all have aspirations beyond the Grail War, but do we really need to see those being explored in-depth? (I'm not saying they couldn't be, I'm arguing whether it would really add anything to the characters.) The franchise's storytelling potential lies mostly in the concepts of Servants and the Throne of Heroes, the differences between real-life history and Nasuverse history, the dichotomy between "reality" and "myth", etc., not in the main characters and themes of the original work. Meanwhile, Tsukihime, at least, also has potential in the Dead Apostles and the Dead Apostles Ancestors, the Church, etc.

There was never a point at which it 'started' going wrong. It was, at every point, always already going wrong. If you try to pedestalise any given period of TM as a prelapsarian golden age you've already lost. The crisis is the normal state of affairs.

So basically like any other creative affair. Alright.

[RoydGolden]

Hm, I don't know if that's a fair assessment. Shirou's, Saber's, Rin's and Sakura's stories are more or less finished by the end of Fate. Sure, we know they all have aspirations beyond the Grail War, but do we really need to see those being explored in-depth? (I'm not saying they couldn't be, I'm arguing whether it would really add anything to the characters.) The franchise's storytelling potential lies mostly in the concepts of Servants and the Throne of Heroes, the differences between real-life history and Nasuverse history, the dichotomy between "reality" and "myth", etc., not in the main characters and themes of the original work. Meanwhile, Tsukihime, at least, also has potential in the Dead Apostles and the Dead Apostles Ancestors, the Church, etc.

You could easily have a continuation story from the Fate or UBW routes, detailing Shirou's adventures as a travelling do-gooder (headcanon: I totally envision Shirou and Rin starting up a magic detective agency after UBW to help muggles with supernatural problems too small-scale for the Mage's Association to get involved). HF would be the hardest route to continue from, I'd imagine, since Shirou there had already settled down and decided to live a normal life with Sakura (at least as normal as possible given their situation), so he wouldn't willingly go on any further adventures unless forced by extreme circumstances.

[the god of world-0]

I still want my post-ubw romcom slice of life.

[warellis]

I still want my post-ubw romcom slice of life.

You mean their life while they're at the Clock Tower? Because what little we saw in the UBW Epilogue, and the car drama CD, shows a lot of potential for fun there.

Well it's a watershed, so I guess? One of the biggest problems with people moving to the west was the lack of water.

Its surroundings were a product of a delicate balance. North of the city was a vast ravine, reminiscent of the Grand Canyon. To the west lay a dense forest, an unusual sight in such an arid area. To the east, a tract of lakes and marshes; to the south, a vast desert unfolded. Though the city had not one smidgen of farmland, it was surrounded in all four directions by land perfectly suited for agriculture. Indeed, that city alone was a strange existence that stood out from its surroundings like a sore thumb.

So I guess if such a place did exist, people would definitely crowd there.

Do you think, judging from the description, it's a magically engineered town? I mean does the surrounding landscape sound like Nevada?

[hayate]

but the trash made real money.

And thus we go to the quote of "one man's trash is another man's treasure."

Still, though...

I'm curious about the next Lostbelt of SIN.

Some say it's a collab, others say it's something else.

And when will Girl's Work be released? T.T

[Laserman]

Is their art style shifting away Tite Kubo's? I can't tell.

[Ruisu]

The "kubo style" was intentional though, they probably can make it different when they want to.

[Altima of the Gates]

You could easily have a continuation story from the Fate or UBW routes, detailing Shirou's adventures as a travelling do-gooder (headcanon: I totally envision Shirou and Rin starting up a magic detective agency after UBW to help muggles with supernatural problems too small-scale for the Mage's Association to get involved). HF would be the hardest route to continue from, I'd imagine, since Shirou there had already settled down and decided to live a normal life with Sakura (at least as normal as possible given their situation), so he wouldn't willingly go on any further adventures unless forced by extreme circumstances.

Sakura and Shirou in HF True are essentially just really starting their own lives together since it took a year and change for Shirou to get better. So they seem like they aren't really doing much because for all intents and purposes, Shirou just settled into his new condition and Sakura is settling into her responsibilities to him and her own problems.
Between the two, they can do any number of things. Since Sakura is the Supervisor and retraining herself, she can have Shirou helping her in between his own work, some alternatives he does mention is civil service. That, and Sakura mentioned not taking Rin's invitation because she has her own work she wants to do, and because she wants to continue learning from someone she trusts, wise enough to know going to the Clock Tower radiating mana like a reactor with a Heroic Spirit in tow, at the heels of the former Supervisor being tried for a bunch of unjustified stuff and a boyfriend who was marked as dead is probably not a good idea.
Rin has the Tohsaka family's backing even if that trial strained things, Sakura does not. She has no crest, is a part of a fallen house, with only a person under major scrutiny's recommendation. So it's prudent to lie low for now and do her work in Fuyuki until they forget about the place and she has herself in order.
Frankly, I am kinda surprised Rin doesn't take that into account, and assumed Sakura just wanted to take it easy.

[forumghost]

I'm not. Rin probably figures that Sakura has been through enough drama and just wants to sit back for a bit and enjoy her slice-of-life with Shirou.

Which imo is more-or-less true.

[Altima of the Gates]

But then fantasized about her crew becoming the new Fantastic Four and steamrolling magic tourneys.

Since she knows Shirou is supposed to be dead and the Association is sniffing about stuff on the grail, going with a lesser grail with a link to the other side constantly siphoning mana, a Servant, and a so-called dead man is like a big neon sign saying, "hey, here are some freaks just begging for experimentation!"

[Rafflesiac]

Shirou can't be that suspicious, there's definitely been magi who brought along hapless men-turned-sex dolls before.

[forumghost]

But then fantasized about her crew becoming the new Fantastic Four and steamrolling magic tourneys.

Since she knows Shirou is supposed to be dead and the Association is sniffing about stuff on the grail, going with a lesser grail with a link to the other side constantly siphoning mana, a Servant, and a so-called dead man is like a big neon sign saying, "hey, here are some freaks just begging for experimentation!"

She also dismissed that as a fantasy.

Plus that was post trial where she ostensibly has Zel in her corner.

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Shirou can't be that suspicious, there's definitely been magi who brought along hapless men-turned-sex dolls before.

I mean the entire Einzbern family is made up of sex dolls and they're members in good standing.

[NoahStratos]

I seriously have no idea if anybody else did something in a similar tone, but I haven't seen any Fate/stay night rendition of the broken coffee machine skit of the Parks & Recreation TV show despite what potential I think it has.

Obviously: FSN - P&R equivalent

Ron - Archer (EMIYA)
Leslie - Saber
Tom - Lancer
Ben - Shirou
Jerry - probably Taiga
April - Rin
Donna - Illya/Sakura

(here, Shirou and Lancer's roles are interchangeable, but here's my best fits)

[You]

I seriously have no idea if anybody else did something in a similar tone, but I haven't seen any Fate/stay night rendition of the broken coffee machine skit of the Parks & Recreation TV show despite what potential I think it has.

Obviously: FSN - P&R equivalent

Ron - Archer (EMIYA)
Leslie - Saber
Tom - Lancer
Ben - Shirou
Jerry - probably Taiga
April - Rin
Donna - Illya/Sakura

(here, Shirou and Lancer's roles are interchangeable, but here's my best fits)

Nah that's weird because they don't all actually work together
It's got to be the El-Melloi Classroom

Ron - Reines
Lesile - Waver
Ben - Svin
Tom - Flatt
Jerry - Caules
SadEeyoreApril - Gray
Donna - Yvette

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You could easily have a continuation story from the Fate or UBW routes, detailing Shirou's adventures as a travelling do-gooder (headcanon: I totally envision Shirou and Rin starting up a magic detective agency after UBW to help muggles with supernatural problems too small-scale for the Mage's Association to get involved). HF would be the hardest route to continue from, I'd imagine, since Shirou there had already settled down and decided to live a normal life with Sakura (at least as normal as possible given their situation), so he wouldn't willingly go on any further adventures unless forced by extreme circumstances.

Sakura and Shirou in HF True are essentially just really starting their own lives together since it took a year and change for Shirou to get better. So they seem like they aren't really doing much because for all intents and purposes, Shirou just settled into his new condition and Sakura is settling into her responsibilities to him and her own problems.
Between the two, they can do any number of things. Since Sakura is the Supervisor and retraining herself, she can have Shirou helping her in between his own work, some alternatives he does mention is civil service. That, and Sakura mentioned not taking Rin's invitation because she has her own work she wants to do, and because she wants to continue learning from someone she trusts, wise enough to know going to the Clock Tower radiating mana like a reactor with a Heroic Spirit in tow, at the heels of the former Supervisor being tried for a bunch of unjustified stuff and a boyfriend who was marked as dead is probably not a good idea.
Rin has the Tohsaka family's backing even if that trial strained things, Sakura does not. She has no crest, is a part of a fallen house, with only a person under major scrutiny's recommendation. So it's prudent to lie low for now and do her work in Fuyuki until they forget about the place and she has herself in order.
Frankly, I am kinda surprised Rin doesn't take that into account, and assumed Sakura just wanted to take it easy.

I would say that HF True is the easiest to write a sequel for.
Because you have Sakura as an inexperienced Second Owner. Fuyuki outed int the world as an awesomesauce leyline and the authorities protecting it before, Zouken and Rin are functionally gone.
You got a Bishop from the Church who has had many adventures in town. And you got Rider as well.
It's definitely got potential as a Mahou Tsukai no Yoru or Tsukihime type story. Except this time the Mahou Tsukai is Sakura.

[NoahStratos]

Nah that's weird because they don't all actually work together
It's got to be the El-Melloi Classroom

Ron - Reines
Lesile - Waver
Ben - Svin
Tom - Flatt
Jerry - Caules
SadEeyoreApril - Gray
Donna - Yvette

The skit line-up I first proposed would more fit in Carnival Phantasm/Emiya-san no Kyou no Gohan, but this lineup is a good choice.

Have no idea why Waver = Leslie though

[Iceblade44]

I wonder what is Fionn's most suited class is though I have doubts we will ever see it. Several things implies that Lancer isn't his best class so I wonder what it is.