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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathhappens View Post
    I think Nasu's writing is better off when he isn't writing around an existing person, but is allowed to go all out into weirdness. Elizabeth Bathory and her clone army have never had more than cursory attachment to the historic personality, and they're much better off for it. On the contrary, Florence Nightingale is a frankenstein of a character because the real person's achievements and life just don't mesh with what the story wants out of the character at all.
    I'd say the Eliza commentary here only really applies to her post-CCC writing, where it makes sense for her to be different because she goes through some quite big changes due to her relationship with Hakuno. In CCC, while she could be replaced by any other noblewoman kid who killed commoners if it weren't for the claustrophobia scenes, there was a relatively decent distribution between researched content and original content. More so than most of the F/sN cast imo.

    As for the Nightingale commentary, I honestly have no idea what you're talking about. Nightingale always had a huge reputation as a severe woman who wouldn't take a no for an answer and her life achievements include:
    -defying her expected social role as rich lady to work a job usually performed by fired maids, widows and prostitutes who grew too old to get clients at the time
    -cutting ties with her family over then still using their money to improve hospitals and buy uniforms to the soldiers
    -pretty much saying "you're wrong and I'm right" to the entire medical system of her time
    -working her team so hard that she made 22 nurses quit their jobs mid-war
    -ignoring authority and bureaucracy, and even going as far as lying about the Queen's orders to get reforms done and equipment delivered sooner
    -continuing her work after war against medical recomendation
    Even without the Mad Enhancement excuse, I honestly still can't see any other character more "accurate" for Florence Nightingale than a self-destructive unstoppable workaholic who thinks her own opinions and priorities are the only objectively correct ones. The only thing I really feel the F/GO interpretation for her is lacking is her religious side, since she wrote whole books about theology and only became a nurse to begin with because she "heard the voice of God" ala Jeanne D'Arc.

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    No time for god, only treatment. Or so I'd say with a Berserker.

    Liz is one of the best done servants all in all in her CCC presentation imo as a person who represents a trend and a problem of a society and culture encapsulated as a person. A guilty criminal and a scapegoat both in a sense you could say. I feel she and Medb are some of the best showcases for Antiheroes and why they're heroic spirits too instead of just good/heroic people.

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    one of the best done servants all in all in her CCC presentation
    I guess I have to take your word for it. One of the best done Servants is them?


    Medb
    How?
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    Bob the Builder's evil twin.
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    HF felt like Nasu holding up a megaphone and screaming, "LOOK AT HOW SAD THIS IS! ISN'T IT SAD? YOU SHOULD FEEL SAD!"


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    > Einzbern

    > Making smart decisions


    Pick one


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    Palingenesis just sounds like we're creating Sarah Palin.


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    >tfw you betray your ideals to get some


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    In short, Japan's syncretism BS striked again.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Laserman View Post
    How?
    I feel I'm simplifying things too much, but if I had to sum it up: the same shit for which Medb is vilified is either used to glorify other (male) kings and heroes in Ancient Irish mythology or just treated as a fact of life. In many ways, she, too, is both a "guilty criminal" and a "scapegoat", to use Menwearpink's terminology (though scapegoat is probably not the best word in Medb's case).
    My fanfics:
    The Gift (a Fate/Stay Night one-shot)
    - A duel between Cú Chulainn and Scáthach.
    Passion Acknowledged (a Fate/Stay Night one-shot) (Lemon) - Shirou and Shinji finally acknowledge their feelings.
    He Was a Good King (a Fate/Stay Night one-shot) - A short exploration of Beowulf's character as a hero and a king.
    A Fairy Tale of Love and Death (a Fate/Stay Night one-shot) - A meeting between Scáthach and King Hassan in the distant past.

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    That and she’s got some rather positive or admirable qualities and accomplishments too.

    She is after all in fact quite competent and able. Her EX rank luck is pretty justified, she spearheads the conspiracy to lay low one of the greatest heroes in her culture and does a lot of stuff. A driven clever lady who wants to take what she wants and doesn’t apologize for it. Obviously some of her conduct is far from good and her core of someone who wants to be loved, while also not desiring to change to attain it selfishly. Along with her viewpoints on value attached to beauty and self aren’t exactly positive.

    but in the end the evils of a villain, and their own better traits are as much a foundation for people to build off of as heroes.

    A hero is a hero, a villain a villain. Sometimes that’s mainly painted by the viewpoint of those who write on legend, but in the end there’s also a difference between the two that can’t be forgotten and allows them to be appreciated in different ways too.

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    remove liz.
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    At least Medb never killed one of her best warriors because she wanted to doink his wife, Conchobar
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    He's just putting the bone of his sword into other people until it explodes and lets out parts of him inside them.
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    Genderswaps are terrible, but I think I and other people would hate them less if Fate didn't keep ignoring actual heroines throughout history and folklore. Like, why bother turning Francis Drake into a woman when Ching Shih and Grace O'Malley exist?
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    Fate Zero is just Fate Stay Night for people who think Shirou is too girly

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menwearpink View Post
    A hero is a hero, a villain a villain.
    I can hear Nobu laughing at this... I'd also hear Cao Cao, but the Unscrupulous Hero of Chaos is not in this game yet, despite a couple of his strategists being so.
    May the Light of Zvezda Shine Throughout This World!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmADo VII View Post
    but FSN sells more than Tsukihime.
    Don't do this to me


    @Comun: The core personality is fine. The issue is really part lol ME EX which was always dumb and the fact that they play it up too much for shits and giggles, which is a larger issue of TM with their problem of going too hard with making it a meme.

    Which you can still have fun with, but I'm not gonna call it good in a certain sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LJ3 View Post
    Don't do this to me


    @Comun: The core personality is fine. The issue is really part lol ME EX which was always dumb and the fact that they play it up too much for shits and giggles, which is a larger issue of TM with their problem of going too hard with making it a meme.

    Which you can still have fun with, but I'm not gonna call it good in a certain sense.
    If your issue is the "going too hard with making a meme", then it's not a problem of being original character or not, this is you that don't like the character at all.
    Last edited by Yggdrasil; December 13th, 2019 at 04:33 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmADo VII View Post
    but FSN sells more than Tsukihime.
    And none of the characters in FSN really exist. Even the mythological figures in a way, unlike Nightingale.
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    It still baffles my fucking mind, that in a mix between a badass but depressed battle loving warrior who trained a great and legendary Hero like Cu Chulainn, and a female GIANT goddess of skiing and hunting, they got a uwu christmas cake who is obsessed between either loving or killing someone.
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    I...I just can't comprehend how you fuck something like that up so badly. How do you go from shit like Artoria and Musashi to abominations like Boudicca and Scathac=Skadi.
    Are most of these characters' designs and lines made by other writers or mostly by Nasu or what?

    I understand a lot of the joke Servants and ignored Servants were made prior to Nasu really getting involved?
    Last edited by warellis; December 13th, 2019 at 06:51 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warellis View Post
    Are most of these characters' designs and lines made by other writers or mostly by Nasu or what?
    Profile, lines and Interludes are written by the character creator listed on each Servants' materials. Skadi's profile is in the 7th materials book, so we will know who her character creator is in a couple weeks.

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    only Boss (Takeuchi) dares to create new character without Kinoko's permission.
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