General sexism plus trauma of seeing someone get messed up?
seems like it
General sexism plus trauma of seeing someone get messed up?
seems like it
I was referring to beginnin stuffs, where Rin said healthy and reasonable things and when they still have many cards to playOriginally Posted by SpoonyViking
I'm feeling Flat, Svin and Gray for Gryffindor, though I could see her also working for Hufflepuff too because she's kind of quiet, and diligently takes care of Waver.
Waver?? Ravenclaw? Though he has a lot of inner strength, so I could see him weaseled into Gryffindor
Sure, Nasu probably intended it to be read like that. Whether it actually does is another story.
I think Rin is the exception here, not Saber, Rin's exempt from Shirou's "gotta save this girl and fix her emotional problems" cause he idolizes her (which is what leaves room to actually look at his own problems in UBW)
I read it like that so it does. If you are reasonably convinced about what the author's intent was, why would you read it differently?
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Yeah, with Sakura he's again in the superior position in the relationship, I can't comment on how it compares with Saber because,
I
have not
read HF all the way through
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Because there's a difference between intent and execution, one which can actually be quite large?
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How would you construct intent without interpreting the text? Give me an example of what "execution" is supposed to be here.
Hmmm... Let's take an easy one as an example: have you read "Twilight" or watched its movie adaptation?
look even im tired of relitigating this on the internet just get back to shirou's actions
i've seen only the first movie, and that's a whole different medium with a lot more people involved than a written text
Fine, fine. Let me quote Seika, then: for all that the CG with Saber mortally wounded by Herakles flashes constantly, Shirou's narration - the actual text - had already expressed his belief that Saber shouldn't fight before that, and both before and after the fight with Herakles he always frames that sentiment in gendered terms - he's not saying Saber shouldn't fight, he's not even saying he's not worth fighting for, he's explicitly stating girls shouldn't fight (and always with an undercurrent that girls that beautiful and elegant shouldn't fight).
There's also how in "Heaven's Feel" he deliberately goes against Sakura's wishes by not stopping her (she did state that she wanted him to stop her if she ever "lost herself", I believe that was the expression she used), but there are several factors involved there that it's plausible it's not just an issue of gender relations.
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Yeah, but it has the same issues as the novel in that it presents an abusive relationship based entirely on lust, desire for power and self-satisfaction as true love.
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Oh, another easy one if you're a fan of super-heroes comics: in the first Civil War event, in one of the main issues (#3, I think?) Iron Man specifically declares to Spider-Man that his clone of Thor killing Black Goliath was exactly like a police officer firing at a resisting criminal, and the narrative is on his side (it's important to note this), except that 1) the clone was acting out of control, as seen in the faces of his handlers after the deed, and 2) the clone was powerful enough to subdue Black Goliath with minimal injuries, but instead went straight for the lethal option. And that's not even getting into the legality and ethics of the Registration Act or cloning a sentient being without their consent in the first place.
So, authorial intent (as can be construed by the narrative and declarations from the author): the Pro-Registration side was in the right not only legally, but morally. Actual execution: the Pro-Registration side crossed moral and ethical lines faster than the Flash going to the bathroom when he's drunk two gallons of soda.
I assume you have a very good reason to believe everything Shirou says and not look at what he does and what thoughts or events influence his psyche. It of course takes an assumption to think that Nasu is an idiot who hasn't noticed the difference between how Shirou acts towards Rin vs. Saber, but that's talking about intent again.
Sorry, not into comics either.
Well, if we're going by the author's explicit statements instead of the actual text, Nasu has said that he basically had Shirou harp on the whole "You're a girl, girls shouldn't fight!" in order to try and make it believable that someone with Saber's life experience would fall in love with a high-schooler.
iirc what he said is that he did that because he didn't think he had rewritten the story enough for Arthur's characterization to work for a woman. Not that it matters because I have no reason to believe him 100%
...So, basically, authorial intent should only be taken into account when it aligns with your own interpretation?
No, when it comes from extratextual sources, it should be taken into account if you're sure he's telling the actual intent instead of lying, misleading, misrembering, being diplomatic or making something up on the spot.
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