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    Guilty Crown Visual Novel (Speculation in Progress!)

    Ah, Guilty Crown. An S-Rank clusterfuck of budget misuse and wasted potential - I DROP IT EVERY WEEK, BUT I KEEP COMING BACK.


    As according to /a/, a group of trained monkeys on typewriters could hammer out a better script...


    -But in anticipation of the upcoming Lost Christmas VN, here's the essential question: How would one do a Visual Novel? After all, the lovely female characters are one of the show's good points - As well as the music and the Void designs. The show actually lends itself best to a VN format; The main character's distinctive superpower is really quite limited, narrative-wise, and barring *severe* tinkering, it's not exactly suited to the format.


    Synopsis:


    YOU are ANON (Default name = Ouma Shu), a *totally* average highschool student living in GHQ-occupied Tokyo. You're a nice guy, really, though you're plagued by horrific nightmares of Lost Christmas: Within your superficial exterior, guilt is eating you alive. Your personality flaw is that you much prefer to be what people what you to be - While this makes you popular, it's shoehorned you into plenty of trouble.


    Through a series of entirely unfortunate events, you get mixed up with the Undertakers - A group of terrorists fighting to free Japan from foreign rule - and their blonde ubermensch leader, Gai. Ultimately, you'll gain the power of the Void Genome, the 'right to wield your friends as weapons.' It's the 'Guilty Crown you shall adorn', whatever that means.


    Now, as we're going on a canonical source, events have to proceed according to the series - But as you're (specifically) not a complete pussy, and you're not stuck with a single love interest, you *can* change the context of events.


    The Paragon/Renegade gauge of the game is the Power of the King meter, which tracks your behavior between Kind King and Tyrant. Note that both are *equally* gameable - You'll be forced into the role of leader, anyway - It just depends on what kind of leader you plan to be. This isn't a Light side/Dark Side dichotomy - Ideally, you'd want both to be as high as possible, though the former charts empathy, and the latter is a measure of your force of personality. Just like Mass Effect's Paragon/Renegade interrupts, you'll unlock extra events and scenes if you meet the criteria.


    You gain Tyrant points when you use physical force (Or the overwhelming power of Voids) to bust your way through problems. You *also* gain them when you exert your force of personality - Conversely, Kind King points are gained through talking things out, empathy...And by being a manipulative bastard who talks people into things.


    The story's divided into three main arcs, with multiple chapters within each: Prince, King/Reign and Emperor.


    Prince/ 'The Little Prince':


    As in the show, our story begins with you skipping class to work on your pet project: A video diorama of the city as you remember it, before it was eaten alive by the Apocalypse Virus. Through sheer coincidence, you meet Inori - A pink-haired beauty who strikes you as instantly familiar, when you hear her singing your sister's favorite song. Things get *strange* when she offers you a...cat's-cradle, *just* like your sister - It's up to you whether you respond with fear and loathing, blank confusion, or curiosity.


    The meeting's interrupted when a group of soldiers burst in, and promptly arrest Inori: If you try to stand up for her (Tyrant points, for being assertive and confident), the soldiers are ready to rough you up...But they let you off with a warning, instead of a summary excecution when they realize your mother works for GHQ. Shortly afterward, you discover a...little robot thing, carrying a strange cylinder full of pretty colo-


    -The Void Genome resonates with you, and you promptly suffer a bizarre epileptic fit. When you wake up, hours later, it's to a voice with an internet connection, requesting (Or is that nagging?) you to return the stolen property. While you might balk at bringing a biological weapon to wanted terrorists, you might decide that you want to know more about the hauntingly familiar girl (+Inori points), or the sweet-voiced girl on the other side of the channel (+Tsugumi). If you're smart enough to realize that these are *totally* the Undertakers, you get Kind King points for deducing this (obvious) piece of information.


    Besides, those jackbooted GHQ thugs smashed your display. Fascists!


    Of course, you quickly run into some difficulty - You're heading into a bad part of town, and the local lowlives aren't about to let you pass. Some brief fistcuffs (Tyrant) or impromptu parkor/triggering Fyu-neru's tasers might help (Kind King), but things quickly go south...Until Gai himself turns up to save you, FACEPUNCHING all comers like a boss. After all, bare-knuckle brawling is a *lot* more interesting way to meet someone, than begging not to get beaten up.


    You're *really* certain you've seen him before, but there's no time to catch up on old acquitances...The Antibodies are closing in on the area, and they're going to kill absolutely everyone. Still, the Undertakers now have the Void Genome, the ultimate trump card...Which you've *used*, somehow. And as it's already bonded to you, it looks like you've been conscripted. The thing is, you have no idea how to activate it...Until you try to protect Inori from an attacking Endlave, which gives you an infinite Air Hike, Shields from Strike Witches, and a blade that cleaves evil.


    As the operation concludes, you briefly fight the vicious Daryl Yan - And it's up to you whether you slice his Endlave in half, before destroying the local broadcast server with your magic sword (Tyrant), or ambush him in his cradle and use the Kaledioscope to messily turn their own lasers back upon them (Kind King). The Undertakers pull out, taking you with them; Even if you don't accept Gai's personal offer to sign on (+Tyrant and +Kind King points for following the script), their scientists still want to figure out *why* the Void Genome resonated with you, and *you* specifically.


    Training arc! You meet Tsugumi and Ayase, and we've *finally* run into the other romanceable heroines; Surprisingly, you take well to the training, and get to know the girls a little bit more...Right up to the mock Endlave battle. It's entirely up to you whether you win the match by drawing out Argo's Void (Tyrant), relying on Tsugumi's analysis of an Endlave's blind-spots to evade it (Kind King/+Tsugumi) or actually disabling the thing by luring into a pillar, then repeatedly shooting it in the back of the head. (King King/+Ayase.) As you've already met Inori, this is the chance for the other two to 'catch up', affection-point wise.


    Either way, when you win, you get a boost to all parameters...And your *very* first assignment. It turns out that *someone's* seen you at the site - Gai wants you to track him down. But because it'd *really* help to have a Void on-hand, in case of a confrontation, he's sending (Heroine with highest affection) to accompany you...And teach you how to, as they say, shot web.


    Of course, 'Sugar' is Yahiro - You either hold back from the obvious solution of murdering him because a) You have his word that he'd keep his mouth shut. (Tyrant) b) It's going to be impossible to explain if he ends up unaccountably dead. (Kind King.)


    Like the lovable traitor he is, he turns you in to GHQ the very next day.


    After some SHENIGANS, including Inori doing a Matrix-style leap, and Gai cosplaying as Phoenix Wright, you escape. (Holding onto the pen, to play both sides against each other, gets you Kind King points.) Helping Tsugumi's plan go off without a hitch, or assisting Ayase in the Endlave-on-Endlave brawl that follows, gets you affection points with either girl. Levelling the entire place with Inori's Void (Instead of escaping from the get-go) gifts you with a delicious helping of Tyrant meter, too; Everyone wins!


    It turns out that you got into the giant-robot smiting a little too much; Exhausted, you wake up in the base's infirmary days later, with the highest-rated Heroine by your side. Your bad dreams are getting worse - And so familiar, too! Fortunately, the next few missions are effectively breather episodes (Infiltrating a cruise ship, trying to find the original source of the virus, eckscetra.) In each case, you get to pick your favorite heroine to accompany you - She'd be your 'date' on the cruise ship, the one who catches Souta's eye in the group vacation...Ultimately culminating in a romantic interlude, specific to each heroine, by the end of the 'fillers'.


    Inori: You've finished your display of the city at last! Inori's *really* happy to see Tokyo 'as it was', before it became...You know, crystal-ly and all. She has a new song, too, just for you - And she'd really like you to hear it.


    Ayase: The mission's a simple one - You're in the same truck as Ayase, one carrying her backup Endlave. Unfortunately, your heart-to-heart chat is interrupted by a GHQ ambush that kills the driver (Or destroys the Fyu-neru driving the truck) and smashes Ayase's command cradle, leaving both of you in a tight spot. With no other option, she has to place her trust in you - Which is hard for a girl who prides herself on self-reliance. You draw out her Void, and make a dash for safety, with Sleeping Beauty in a princess carry. Of course, she's hilariously tsundere afterward.


    Tsugumi: A virus patterned on the Apocalypse Virus has the Undertaker base on lockdown, and the security systems set to murder absolutely everyone who looks at them funny. Cut off from her beloved force-feedback sphere, Tsugumi is understandably distraught...Fortunately, working together, a combination of her tactical sense and her cloning Void creates a literal army of decoys to distract security, long enough to reset the mainframe. Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to avoid fondling those kitty ears *too much*.


    Things are settling into a rhythm when HOLY SHIT, THE LEUKOCYTE'S NUKING EVERYONE! As a break for all the ren'ai girl-chasing, the next chapter is a TOTALLY MANLY Gai-tastic one, where you have to work together to thwart the threat of ionic death from above. We find out that you and Gai knew each other from long ago...And he's either assured by the fact that you still have a good heart/haven't changed (Kind King) or have become the *man* he's tried to be. (Tyrant) Here, we learn of what really happened all those years ago - And the Leukocyte's ultimately downed by a SWORDGUN/GUNSWORD, or Gai's original plan in the series.


    Of course, things don't go *quite* so smoothly when you meet Yahiro again; He's on the run, and in the clusterfuck that follows, his brother dies. Depending on the context, it could happen because you're too busy fighting Daryl, and the terminal infectee gets killed by a stray shot - Or because he goes absolutely fucking bugnuts, forcing you to mercy-kill him.


    This gives your confidence a big hit...Your ability to use Voids is severely affected, because there's simply too much weighing on your mind. It could be played one of two ways: You can't draw Voids any longer, because you can't muster the state of mind required (Like trying to 'perform' when you're severely distracted) or the Voids you draw are no longer stable.


    It reminds you too much of Lost Christmas, and the dreams aren't helping. Sometimes, you think you can almost see and *hear* your sister...And she's watching. WAITING. It's puzzlingly uncertain whether she wants to sex you up or murder you, however. (Affection points with Inori are also affection points with Mana, as a rule of thumb.)


    Gai pulls you off the firing line, sending you back to school for some much-needed vacation time; Right now, you're a liability, not an asset. Through sheer narrative coincidence, things choose that exact time to go straight to hell: You must assemble your B-Team of classmates to bail out the Undertakers, and stop the second Lost Christmas incident from happening. Again, a Tyrant will simply use their Voids to break through; A Kind King will take a sneakier approach, using Arisa's connections, Yahiro's shady past (Particularly his experience with boltholes) and Souta's militant otakuism to find his way in.


    It turns out that it's *all* a trap to lure you in. You're the final piece of the puzzle needed to kick everything off: Chief Keido needs your Void Genome to set off the apocalypse. This involves killing you, and capturing Inori...And it's up to the dynamic duo of you and Gai to thwart his evil plans. Depending on the girl highest in the affection meters, there's a different take on the scenario:


    Inori: Inori's conscious enough to resist, and in a realm made ENTIRELY of Void crystals, you summon her sword without being within line-of-sight. As she's fighting Mana's influence, it further frustrates your yandere sister's attempts to kill you.


    Ayase: Ayase's brought her Endlave with her. While still severely outmatched, Mana has to waste time ripping it apart, before she can start working on you and Gai.


    Tsugumi: With a makeshift rig of computers, Tsugumi provides analysis and encouragement - As does Fyu-neru. The little robot buddy is a potent distraction, after all.


    This is, as they say, the big fight. It's Gai with his Void assault rifle, and you with Inori's sword, against an entire world of hurty crystal spikes trying to murder you. The plan is 'Make a beeline for Mana while your distraction gets torn apart. Then stab the crazy out of Mana.'


    Mana's reasons, however, and the tone of your flashback, changes depending on whether you're more of a Tyrant or a Kind King. In the former, she can't think of a better person to rule the world with; You're strong, forceful, the kind of man she wants. In the latter, she's disturbingly in love with your kindness, and wants to have a lot of incestuous Void-babies.

    Either way, if you're on another heroine's route, she focuses the full force of her jealous rage on the girl, first - Long enough to give you an opening. Fortunately, neither Ayase nor Tsugumi are there 'in the flesh', but it should still be pretty disturbing to watch an Endlave get torn apart. Less so for Fyu-Neru, unless Mana infects Tsugumi's systems - Forcing her to shut down, or risk terminal corruption.

    Also, if Inori's affection is high, it's apparent that the Apocalypse Virus is twisting Mana's very real love for you into obsession: If it's low, Mana wants to murder you in a cruel and vindictive way for rejecting her. Either way, Gai gets thoroughly impaled, but his heroic sacrifice buys you enough time to stab Mana's core.

    The world explodes, and everything shatters - You try to save Gai, but you only manage to get a handful of his *impossibly* pimp coat before you're forcefully ejected from the bizarre Void-realm. When you wake up, you're in a post-apocalyptic wasteland covered with crystals: Your love interest, fortunately, is the first one to find you. But neither the tearful reunion, or your newly-acquired swag, is enough to soothe the ruin in your heart.


    Because everyone's dead, Shoe.


    EVERYONE'S DEAD, AND IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT.


    End of Arc 1.


    As a side note- It's a shame, but there's no room for sub-heroines like Hare, Arisa and...The girl with glasses. As the show hasn't finished it's run, as of writing, and Hare is canonically *dead*, it would change things far too much for them to have routes.


    ...Maybe in the PS2 release.


    Also, the synopsis specifically ignores Inori's background as a 'Net Idol; It's had absolutely no bearing on the plot, hasn't been referenced, and is particularly ludricious in light of her dual life as a terrorist. To my eternal embarassement, I've failed to include more DAN EAGLEMAN - But it can generally be assumed that things play out according to the same structure, with the characters in the same roles.


    ...


    DAN EAGLEMANNNNNNN


    A major difference is that, in the revised timeline, the training arc takes place before the player gets betrayed by Yahiro. Again, this is for the Visual Novel format: Otherwise, the PC wouldn't meet Tsugumi and Ayase until halfway through the Prince arc. Also, it makes the PC, as they say, less of a 'beta faggot', and gives him a more plausible reason to go back to school.


    Finally, the player still uses Inori's Void, which - Let's face it - is ideal for slicing and dicing. Inori is the plot-relevant heroine, but depending on how the story plays it, your feelings from her range from incestuous love, love, familial affection, or terror. It's really up to you whether you see her as your sister, your creepy sister, the sister you totally wanted to have sex with, or as herself.

    That last one is admittedly difficult, though, as she doesn't have that much of a personality of her own.
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    Dude, I'd max the shit out of Inori only for the Mana antics.
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    I demand epic Shu/Daryl rivalry as an option.
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    Well, for Daryl - I'd assume he's a recurring threat, and he just gets deadlier as the game goes on, turning up at the *worst* possible moments. Sure, with a Void, you can slap him down...But he keeps adding more and more new gear to Steiner, from Genome-sensing launchers to DNA-coded lasers, and you basically only have one trick. It's a *very* good trick, but it's all you have. Not to mention that he knows how you fight, how you think...And he only needs to get lucky once. You need to be lucky - And quick - every single time you take him on.

    For example, in Ayase's romantic interlude, you're still acutely vulnerable when he destroys the trawler truck: With her Void, all you can do is run away from him.

    In Inori's route, he tailors Steiner to be a combat machine, because it ultimately boils down to a hitting match. For Ayase, he favours speed and high-velocity weapons. (Because she'd be using her Endlave against him, too.) For Tsugumi, he get technological tricks and electronic countermeasures (Like a cloaking device, and a signal jammer that disrupts Voids) the better to counteract her hacking abilities.

    He's tailoring his Endlave to fight you, and it shows.

    Plot-wise, your problem is that it's never a good time for you to fight him. There's always a ticking clock, and while Inori's sword cuts anything, you can still be blinded, stunned, deafened, knocked unconscious...The list goes on.

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    Plus, Daryl has the excuses of "progress" and "development" on his side if he needs to justify his new upgrades for counteracting against Shu whenever he shows up. After all, Void Genome is serious business.

    Something else that I noticed is that Kenji, Mr. Apparently-Important-Undertaker-Member and the one with the Anti-Gravity Void, was seemingly Put On a Bus by the series. Now, there's no telling if he will show up again, and it's still too soon to say otherwise because of GC still airing, but if he doesn't then that's more wasted potential. I propose that if that is indeed the case then that ought to be remedied somehow.
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    I like what I see, although, lack of Hare route is disappointing. I say that doing as many Hare events pre-Act 2 and getting a high Kind King value should allow you to enter Hare route and overturn her Dead End. Like, when you enter Act 2, Yahiro will propose his Void Ranking System, you in Hare route, will slap him in the face and tell him to piss off with his ranking system, totally saving Hare's life.

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    That would be a very interesting idea - Though in Yahiro's defense, the Void Ranking system wasn't implemented yet. Souta just jumped the gun prematurely, after he happened upon the documents.

    Also, the second Act ends the same way no matter what: Gaidalf appears, and chops off your arm, claiming the Power of the King for himself. The context, however, changes a lot depending on your actions. In the worst outcome, most of the students die, and the rest turn on you the moment they escape. In a not-so-bad outcome, a fair proportion survives, and any dissent is relatively minor. In the best outcome, it's almost a perfect plan...But Gai and a surprise army of Endlaves emerge to turn victory to defeat. In this version, you don't get betrayed: You're cut off from the escaping students when Gai ambushes you, and your forces are rounded up as soon as the player is taken down. (Void Genome removed = All active Voids created by the wielder cease to function.)

    In the worst 'chances of victory' outcome, your forces get slaughtered, and Gai cuts your arm off when the breakout fails. (But the way things are balanced means that the students are very happy with you.) In the worst 'happiness' outcome, you get...Well, you pretty much get Episode 17.


    It's a matter of stacking 'flags' to determine the effect of the final battle:
    1.) Do the A and S-Rank Voids have sufficient supply of vaccine?
    2.) Do you have Argo's/Undertaker help?
    3.) Did you capture a spare Endlave for Ayase to use?
    4.) How many of the students are currently alive?
    5.) Is Arisa still with the students, or did you let her escape? (Because in the latter option, you can't use her Void.)
    6.) What is your plan?
    7.) Did you sabotage/scout out the enemy beforehand? As a Heroine, Tsugumi might be able to impede the functioning of the enemy Endlaves.

    Conversely, the effective happiness is measured by:

    1.) Did you implement the Void Ranking system? (A Kind King or Tyrant can bullshit his way through this, either by silencing dissent - Or by emphasizing that it's only until the breakout.)
    2.) Was the information about 'Void Breaking' disseminated?
    3.) Did you beat/recruit Argo or the remaining Undertakers?
    4.) Did anyone get killed?
    5.) Are the SS thugs alive, or have they been removed?
    6.) How well did you 'sell' the idea to the others?

    Your chances for victory are balanced against the relative happiness of your kingdom; Generally, the choices that make people unhappy make it easier to win, but you're more likely to be betrayed immediately after the battle is over. At the same time, though, your Tyrant/Kind King scores can make bitter pills easier to swallow, if you play it the right way.

    Either way, this episode is the diplomatic equivalent of walking over eggshells filled with dynamite. You can't make everyone happy, to be completely frank: What matters is making the important people happy. Having the SS as your enforcers makes people unhappy, but they all have relatively potent Voids: Conversely, if you kick them out, happiness improves...But the reversal at the end still takes place, as they go running to GHQ to sell you out. (Technically, the best option would be to execute them, but the PC isn't a cold-blooded killer. Yet.)

    For example, a smooth Kind King can keep Arisa's Void, by appealing to Argo's sense of compassion: You want everyone to get out, after all. As a bonus, you start with a higher Happiness rating, due to your Charisma. In contrast, a Tyrant starts with higher chances of victory from the very beginning, and is more likely to win the final battle. Similarly, a Tyrant could convince him to help, with a straightforward: "Promise to help us, and I'll help Arisa escape." (The optimum outcome is to keep Arisa's Void and get Argo's help - Effectively, money for nothing.)

    Finally, the way the final battle plays out depends on the main heroine, too: With Inori as the heroine, you can literally fly right to the tower's server, and cut it to bits. With Tsugumi's Void, you muster a literal army of decoys (As a force multiplier) to keep the enemy off-balance. With Ayase's Void, you can superleap to the Tower...But using it means that she'd be out of the battle.

    (In Inori's route, you use her sword to destroy the Tower. With Tsugumi or Ayase, however, you use the grapple-gun Void and electric-charge Void in tandem with their own unique artifacts, because neither has an offensive ability.)

    Also, there's no reason why Daryl can't be present in his new Steiner V2.0/V3.0 as part of the Ghost unit; Your attempt to reach the Tower is delayed by having to fend him off, reflecting the greater battle in microcosm. Left unattended, he'll absolutely shred any other students with Voids...You're really the only one who can go toe-to-toe with him.

    Narrative-wise, it's also to give the player something to do in the battle, while facing a crisis; There's no reason why you can't single-handedly devastate the enemy's gunline, otherwise. With Daryl present, you have your hands full - The others have to die valiantly to clear a path for you.
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    To be fair, if Shu did object vehemently, Yahiro would have probably dumped the Void Ranking System in the trash or not leave it around for Souta to find. You know, something just came to me reading your idea. Why didn't Shu just use Tsugumi's Void to clone the students as a distraction while he destroys the Tower? Would have saved a lot of lives. She doesn't have to clone the entire student body, just maybe 10 to 15?

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    There should be a Bad End in the first Act, where you refuse to kill Mana (she is your sister after all, it's plausible that you'd hesitate to do so). The option should only pop up if you have gained enough Inori affection points by that point in the story so that Mana doesn't want to kill you for rejecting her but is still bent on using you as the progenitor of the new world.

    The Bad End would consist in you hesitating after Gai gets impaled by Mana. In your moment of hesitation, Gai is finished off because you didn't act fast enough to stop all the other crystal spikes. With the window of opportunity gone, you try to make your way to Mana in vain, and even almost half-heartedly (due to the hesitation from before.) Although perhaps you could've reached Mana if your resolve had been high enough, the incident with Jun flashes back to your mind, replaced by your sister's face, and cripples your ability to fight. Once you get tired, Mana manages to disarm you, Inori's void going back inside her, and you then get forced into doing the ritual Keido had tried to do.

    Gravekeeper Mugi throws some evil monologue at you about how you will finally become a true King, and that you should feel happy since you will have everything or something like such. You and Inori put on the rings, you perform the blood offering, and then there is a flash of light. When the deed is done, you take several steps back in horror at what you've done. The sphere that had Mana in it becomes empty, and when Inori/Mana looks at you, she makes the same cat's cradle from the flashback, smiling at you with a gaze of red eyes.

    You then get bound by crystals, and she rapes you to make world-ending babies. The End.

    Also, another interesting bit would be if the flashback you get then (at the whole second coming of Lost Christmas) was altered by the decisions you've made up until that point. For example, if you've shown dislike towards Gai himself, in the flashback you and Gai's relationship would've been colder than normal (still friends, but not as close a brotherhood as it could've been). Conversely, showing admiration towards Gai would make your early relationship have been much closer than normal, and you could've treated him as family.

    Similarly, your relationship with Mana would've also been affected by your present relationship with Inori. If you are aiming for another heroine, your relationship with Mana would've been that of siblings, and Shota you wouldn't have felt anything from Mana's advances in the flashback. If Inori is the heroine but the points aren't that high, then a similar result would've ensued, with you getting only slightly more flustered. However, if the choices you have made up to that point have all been related to Inori and your amount of Inori affection points are considerably high, shota!you would've found himself reacting strangely to Mana's advances, getting oddly happy when Mana said you could look at her with adult eyes.

    And then, both factors would've changed the events that happened in the church. A colder or normal relationship with Gai would lead to Mana arriving before you, like in canon. A closer relationship with Gai would make you get to the church before Mana, and thus you would get an extra scene with Gai. Assuming everything plays out like in canon at this point, you will arrive with Gai bleeding from having shot himself. At this point, where Mana offers you the cat's cradle, if your Inori affection points are normal for her being a heroine or subpar compared to another heroine, you will push her back ala canon, triggering Lost Christmas. If your Inori affection points are high, however, you will get the choice of reacting in shock (doing nothing), or even stepping forward in confusion. Doing either would almost trigger the end of the world, as Mana would be immensely pleased, but Gai would stand up and push her away from you, triggering Lost Christmas either way.

    If you arrive before Mana, Gai warns you of Mana's intentions, telling you that she is more dangerous than you imagine. You may either agree with Gai on his suspicion, disagree on his thoughts, or (if your Inori points are high) call him out on jealousy. Regardless of your decision, after this Mana will arrive, and when Gai tries to stand in the way of you, Mana will knock him away, making him hit a wall. The scene that next plays out will be similar to canon, as Mana will tell you to make a new world with her. Again, whether you or Gai are the ones that make her go berserk is decided by the affection points with Inori as well as what choices you make.

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    The points you earned with the heroines affect the flashbacks and relationships you had with those you knew in your past?

    I'll admit, that's a pretty nifty concept in of itself, and when put that way it actually makes sense.


    /wishes he could add more to convo but imagination/speculah is running dry ATM ;_;
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erlkonig View Post
    AWESOME WORDS
    Yes, that's a fantastic way of doing it. Things still have to roll on accordingly, but you've nailed the way scenes could unfold differently. (And ironically, *all* of the options are still better than the way Shu actually handled it.) Lost Christmas is an incredibly significant event - If not the most significant event, given that it's the direct cause of the entire game.

    Game-wise, it makes sense to space it out a little more, instead of one massive exposition dump in Episode 12. For example, in Gai's Chapter (The one with the Leukocyte), we get the flashback of the player and Mana meeting 'Triton', and the PC's past with young Gai. Later, we learn that Mana was...very close to the PC - And we get the Lost Christmas revelation in the leadup to the final battle. That should make things more coherent, narrative-wise.

    The 'multiple choice past' is an excellent way of developing the PC's own motives - Not to mention his character - without spelling it out. Also, having the Void Genome activate when the player first finds it explicitly labels the PC as the Chosen One...As well as implying that Mana chooses who inherits the Guilty Crown; It wouldn't have worked for anyone else. Overall, it ties the entire arc together in a much better way...

    -But it's really amusing how Canon! Shu seems to be making the absolute worse choices of all the branching paths. I assume he's headed for the equivalent of one of those terrible, sanity-scouring endings in School Days...The ones you have to work to get, out of sheer perverse fascination, where one of more of the girls decides to murder the rest of the harem.

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    Well, you have to admit it's rather hard to think of an outcome worse than Shu's decisions so far that wouldn't be 40k levels of grimderp or just plain silly.
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    Ugh, yeah, that's definitely true.

    I'm wondering how the school arc should play out, though. It's massive - But the concept would still be "How do you deal with the following challenges?" - en route to the final battle. The scenes with Inori in the flower bed can be entirely substituted with similar romantic interludes for Ayase or Tsugumi...Then again, if this is an 18+ game, they might be in a relationship with the PC at this point.

    You're still going to lose the final battle, at least technically, because it's clearly a trap to retrieve the Power of the King. Still, it'd be quite possible for the context to vary between:

    "You're winning, but then Evil! Gai cuts off your arm, shutting down all active Voids."

    To...

    "Your forces are doing *really* badly, and Gai's just here to deliver the coup de grace."

    I really like the idea of the PC going toe-to-toe with Daryl, in an upgraded Steiner; It gives the PC a boss fight, and also allows the narrative to be narrowed down a bit - You only get an idea how the battle has going once you're done fighting him. You have to wonder, though, exactly where Daryl has been, recently...Wasn't he with the Ghost unit in the previous episode?

    Ultimately, I assume that we'd end with the PC on the run with the main heroine, while the rest of his comrades aim to hook up with him; One way or another, the students would be removed from the equation. Though we'd really have to see how the next episode plays out, with Inori, before considering how it'd go with Ayase or Tsugumi helping the delimbed PC.
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    ...Five bucks says that Inori becomes the arm or something silly like that. Making her the bone of Shu's sword arm.

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    While we're at it, a Hare troll ending would be hilarious. (New Game + only.)

    When the game starts, you decide to skip work on your diorama, in favor of eating lunch with Hare and the others. (Of course, that means you never meet Inori, and you never run into the Undertakers.) Later the same day, as you walk home with Hare, you find that Antibodies have set up barricades, warding off a substantial portion of the city; GHQ urges the citizens to stay calm and proceed normally. It is, after all, nothing to worry about.

    The next day, on the train, you read an article about the recent anti-terror sweep conducted by GHQ, which apparently busted an Undertaker cell. The leader's still on the loose, but they're confident they'd get him soon enough...They nailed quite a few of his accomplices, after all.

    A few days later, Yahiro goes missing; There's the rumour that he got into trouble with the police, but one or two classmates mention that he was last seen being collared by the Antibodies.

    He never comes back to school.

    The days roll by, with lazy familiarity; Passing time with your friends, eating lunch with Hare on the roof...Since your mother's busy with something - A work thing - you find yourself walking Hare home more often, now. After all, things have been a little dangerous, recently, and you really shouldn't leave her alone. Also, you can't help but feel restless...You feel that there's something you should be doing, something you can't name...

    Later, the Student Council president goes missing - Her grandfather's personal yacht sunk at sea, with no survivors.

    A week later, Souta eventually invites you and Hare on a summer vacation, and it's clear that she *really* likes you. (Apparently, your remaining friends set it up to nudge her into confessing.) It's a wonderful trip: One incident, though, stands out in your mind - On the first night, when you were just taking a walk, you met an older man who seemed to recognize you. He was friendly, yet strangely familiar...But there was something sinister about him.

    When you get back, there's a tense mood in the city; It's been rumoured that the Undertakers are planning something *big*. To boost morale, the school festival's cast prematurely, to clear the gloom-ridden atmosphere - You're going steady with Hare, now, and you're roped into manning one of the stalls. Life is good, but there's this feeling of unease...

    -And then it happens.

    It begins with an alien chime that echoes forever - A sound that fills you with aching, bone-deep dread. Then screams, at the sudden, grotesque outburst of the Apocalypse Virus.

    The crystals are everywhere, growing with terrifying speed, consuming everything; Before your horrified eyes, students turn into petrified statues, terminal cancer in fast-forward. You have time to reach out for Hare, before she turns to just another outcropping-

    Everyone, in fact, except you. You, somehow, are immune.

    In a daze, you wander out into a post-apocalyptic Tokyo, haunted by eerie laughter. Eventually, when the presence catches up with you at last.


    "...Onee-chan?"


    The screen cracks, with an awful high-pitched shriek, and everything goes black.


    FISSION MAILED.


    End Card:


    Now, as the only one in the world, I have found the path to true happiness.
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    NTR is still NTR, no matter how incestual.

    Troll end is rage end.
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    I LOL'd in spite of myself.

    Isn't it sad, storyline-ignoring Hare route?
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    Huh.

    Who posted this on 4chan?

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    This is on 4chan?
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    Was.

    Checking through the archive reveals a was around 5 or so hours ago.

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