Author Tags

[NuitTombee]

Gonna finally bump it with an Update - Added tags for Kilich and Certis Baliano. (Plus some others I can't remember, it's been a while.)

[Comartemis]

Is any progress being made on implementing content tags?

[Seika]

Standardising that would be very difficult, and probably take more effort than is at all reasonable to expect. I think the best we can do is leave it up to the individual authors at this point. And now that tags really are getting used constructively, maybe we will see that take off.

[Comartemis]

Standardising that would be very difficult, and probably take more effort than is at all reasonable to expect. I think the best we can do is leave it up to the individual authors at this point.

This is insufficient. There's at least one snuff fic on the front page which was completely unmarked last I checked (that being the opening post of Fishie's drabble thread). Stuff like that really really needs to have mandatory warning tags to keep people from tripping over unmarked landmines.

I had spoken to Elf about this in a PM some weeks ago but she never got back to me on whether the mods were going to implement it.

[Seika]

More a job for an in-post warning (at the start, obviously) than for a tag, surely?

[NuitTombee]

Is any progress being made on implementing content tags?

Were you asking me or using the thread to ask in general? If the former, it won't happen, I'm way to lazy and I don't read every story posted. If it's the latter then, as Seiya said, it's up to the individual authors to mark their stories as such.

[Comartemis]

More a job for an in-post warning (at the start, obviously) than for a tag, surely?

No, because as Fishie demonstrates some authors don't have the common courtesy to warn people that there might be objectionable stuff in their stories. The warnings need to be made mandatory under penalty of action by the moderators.

If it's the latter then, as Seiya said, it's up to the individual authors to mark their stories as such.

And again, that's not good enough thanks to the authors who don't do it.

[RadiantBeam]

No, because as Fishie demonstrates some authors don't have the common courtesy to warn people that there might be objectionable stuff in their stories. The warnings need to be made mandatory under penalty of action by the moderators.

.... Why?

[Five_X]

"Objectionable" is not really an objective measurement, I'm afraid.

[RadiantBeam]

Basically what Five said. If the content bothers you, just click out and don't read it.

[Comartemis]

.... Why?

Because it's there and there's no way to tell that it's there until you're already neck deep in Shirou having his jaw removed. A little late for "just click out and don't read it!"

"Objectionable" is not really an objective measurement, I'm afraid.

No, but "snuff" is objective. So is "lolicon". Or even just "lemon" or "yaoi". Or pairings tags for that matter. This is not rocket science. Tag story threads according to their content so we can rule out stuff like that from thread searches. If danbooru can do it for pictures then we can do it for stories.

[SeiKeo]

Because it's there and there's no way to tell that it's there until you're already neck deep in Shirou having his jaw removed. A little late for "just click out and don't read it!"

Then tell us this: why is this something that we should punish formally instead of just telling people to not be stupid about it and tag?

[ItsaRandomUsername]

It is a courtesy for authors to put warnings in stories for what is generally considered objectionable content (and most of the time people actually do take it upon themselves to put in warnings where appropriate). It should not, however, be a punishable act to neglect to do so, nor should it be mandatory. If something is genuinely offensive all it takes is concerning mod intervention should be a single edit and a warning placed where appropriate.

I believe people should be banned for more than ZOMG THIS STORY HAD NECROPHILIA VAMPIRE RAPE SEXUALLY CHARGED SCENARIOS AND THE AUTHOR DID NOT EVEN WARN US ABOUT THAT. There are far worse punishable offenses than somone's wounded sensibilities.

Feel like making every kind of tag for all the stories out there? Fine. Be our guest. But we sure as hell aren't banning someone because they dun goofed, did not put a warning label and you willing read underage gore all the way through.

[Seika]

I don't like the implication that failing to tag a lemon or a homosexual story (that last was a really unfortunate example to choose, by the way) is ever going to be so objectionable that it could be 'mandatory under penalty of action by the moderators' to tag. Mind, NSFW notices are a courtesy that should be observed, just as we currently do with pics.

Further objections: if you're going so far as pairing tags, you might as well refer to a TVTropes page - once that kind of aspect must be tagged, you're creating far too much work for the author.
The Danbooru comparison doesn't follow - it's based on collating pictures, whereas this forum focuses far more on discussion (ff.net is probably closer to danbooru, I think).
And, in all honestly, I don't think many people are going to be seriously harmed by reading a certain way into a 'fic with content that they find objectionable. Yes, you've read a bit of it. But once you've got to the problematic part, you ought to have the sense to just leave. I don't see that it's quite as big a deal as you're making out. NSFW is another matter, because that can actually cause problems with reading this site at work/on a public network and so on. Pairings? No, I really don't think so.

[Aiden]

x2 to everything Seika said, here.

[Mike1984]

No, because as Fishie demonstrates some authors don't have the common courtesy to warn people that there might be objectionable stuff in their stories.

I don't see what that has to do with "tags", though....

The warnings need to be made mandatory under penalty of action by the moderators.

Mandatory for what, though? Different people have different ideas of what is objectionable. I, for instance, would rather like a "Sakura dies in this fic" warning, because I find that "objectionable", but that is quite obviously not viable since it would be a spoiler.

No, but "snuff" is objective. So is "lolicon". Or even just "lemon" or "yaoi".

To you, perhaps. Other people might find different things objectionable.

I don't disagree with the idea of labelling lemons etc., but I think that it should be down to the discresion of the author and the mods what needs labelling. And I certainly don't think mods should be applying harsh punishments for it.

Or pairings tags for that matter.

That would be a spoiler, though.

This is not rocket science. Tag story threads according to their content so we can rule out stuff like that from thread searches.

The problem is that tagging applies to the thread, not to an individual post or story. Fish has written plenty of non-guro fics in that thread, but your idea would taint all of them with the "guro" label. Also, tagging is a lot less flexible than in-post warnings, because you need to find existing tags which fit what you've got.

If danbooru can do it for pictures then we can do it for stories.

Danbooru pictures aren't like stories, though. They have one single theme and show one moment in time.

Plus, Danbooru pictures aren't tagged by the artist, but by the community. And the tagging is by no means complete (there are plenty of lolicon pictures that are not tagged as such, for instance).

[Comartemis]

Then tell us this: why is this something that we should punish formally instead of just telling people to not be stupid about it and tag?

Because they'll ignore you unless you threaten to do something about it, obviously.

Quick someone check for me, has Fishie tagged his shit since I yelled at him about it a month or so back?

Mandatory for what, though? Different people have different ideas of what is objectionable. I, for instance, would rather like a "Sakura dies in this fic" warning, because I find that "objectionable", but that is quite obviously not viable since it would be a spoiler.

So tag it with Character Death.

To you, perhaps. Other people might find different things objectionable.

Tags are inherently objective. You either have the content and the appropriate tag or you don't have the content or the tag. Past a certain point personal taste comes into play but you can at least make an attempt at getting things that are likely to gross out significant portions of your readers.

[Five_X]

"Character Death" is a spoiler, though, for one. If you don't like it, then you can literally just click the back button, close the tab/window, whatever. Your eyes aren't glued to the screen, and if they literally are, I'm sorry for you.

Frankly, adding tags and such like that isn't going to be enforced. You're one person arguing for something few if any other people care about. This is an exercise in pointlessness, since no one is going to about about tagging all the possibly objectionable material in a fic. Especially, then, if that material involves spoilers in some way.

[Alulim]

Wait...is the 'Shirou having his jaw removed' talking about me...?

I mean, I don't think that I ever removed his jaw...cut him in half and ripped his rips open like an oyster, yes...but nothing about the jaw...

Plus I think I put a warning at the top...but if I didn't then it was because of spoilers.

[NuitTombee]

Nah, he's referring to Fishie's first little snippet, but it does have a warning now.

Since everyone else is cluttering up the first page of the Fanfics forum with drabble threads and pushing down other threads from being seen by people too lazy to go to page two, I guess I'll do the same. Here's something I doodled for tusia.The following is NSFW and contains gore.

Last edited by deviatesfish; April 14th, 2012 at 12:43 AM.

So I guess you got your point across Comartemis.