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[RadiantBeam]

Because they'll ignore you unless you threaten to do something about it, obviously.

You assume we mods have more power than we actually do.

[ItsaRandomUsername]

Still not banworthy, dude. And I hope it never is.

[Tobias]

Shirou's jaw removed

...cut him in half and ripped his rips open like an oyster, yes...

uwawa......you people are scary ;_;


someone hold me.

[RadiantBeam]

uwawa......you people are scary ;_;


someone hold me.

*holds*

[Tobias]

*Tucks head behind beam*


have to run....have to run...have to run.....

[SeiKeo]

Because they'll ignore you unless you threaten to do something about it, obviously.

Quick someone check for me, has Fishie tagged his shit since I yelled at him about it a month or so back?

This is the thing, though. Why's it such a big deal? It's not a NSFW picture that could get someone fired, it's easy to get out of, we're supposed to be your enforcers for what you don't like? God knows that's not part of my job description, keep the Lair safe for those who object.

[Mereo Flere]

I've argued in favor of lemon warnings in the past (though never a bannable offense for forgetting them), but you know, I realized there's something simpler out there.

You know. Ratings tags. I'm pretty sure we're all familiar with those.

[Mike1984]

I've argued in favor of lemon warnings in the past (though never a bannable offense for forgetting them), but you know, I realized there's something simpler out there.

You know. Ratings tags. I'm pretty sure we're all familiar with those.

The problem is that ratings tags are hard to define (I don't have a clue what rating most fics should have) and pretty much entirely pointless for this forum (excepting the NC-17 rating...), since there is no guarentee that the discussion surrounding the fic will be at that "rating" level even if the fic itself is. Also, it wouldn't solve the problem of warning people about specific forms of objectionable content.

[Seika]

The problem is that ratings tags are hard to define (I don't have a clue what rating most fics should have)

I'm not so sure that this is a good reason for excluding it. We can educate ourselves, surely? On the other hand, there is certainly a difficulty with on-going 'fics, where the rating given at the beginning may not match what comes up. Editing is possible, but it might be problematic if it changes on already-comitted readers

pretty much entirely pointless for this forum (excepting the NC-17 rating...), since there is no guarentee that the discussion surrounding the fic will be at that "rating" level even if the fic itself is. Also, it wouldn't solve the problem of warning people about specific forms of objectionable content.

Two decent points here, though. We can also repeat the objection made earlier - that a whole thread shouldn't be given a tag on the grounds that it's applicable to a single post. It makes sense for movies because they are a single entity, probably one you're going to watch in a single sitting (also because you've paid money for them and you're being cheated if you have to leave because the content level is above what you expected/wanted/were prepared for). But when there's so many threads each containing dozens of wholly unconnected stories, I think it becomes disadvanteageous to tar everything in a thread with the same brush.

[Mereo Flere]

I'm not so sure that this is a good reason for excluding it. We can educate ourselves, surely? On the other hand, there is certainly a difficulty with on-going 'fics, where the rating given at the beginning may not match what comes up. Editing is possible, but it might be problematic if it changes on already-comitted readers

Sometimes, that just happens; a story turns out to have more adult content than you initially set out for. But yeah, there's really no real reason to exclude ratings.

To begin with, a lot of people post their stuff on FFN; many have the intention of eventually putting their stuff out there after posting it here. Using those ratings as a guide shouldn't be too much trouble.

Two decent points here, though. We can also repeat the objection made earlier - that a whole thread shouldn't be given a tag on the grounds that it's applicable to a single post. It makes sense for movies because they are a single entity, probably one you're going to watch in a single sitting (also because you've paid money for them and you're being cheated if you have to leave because the content level is above what you expected/wanted/were prepared for). But when there's so many threads each containing dozens of wholly unconnected stories, I think it becomes disadvanteageous to tar everything in a thread with the same brush.

Ratings would primarily be applicable to threads that are dedicated to a single story. They wouldn't be applied to the discussion of the story (since the author doesn't have total control over that to begin with, aside from their own posts), or threads like the idea threads or the snippet/drabble threads; a rating would only be applied to the story itself, for simplicity's sake.

[Seika]

Ratings would primarily be applicable to threads that are dedicated to a single story ... a rating would only be applied to the story itself, for simplicity's sake.

Somehow I feel that wouldn't work so neatly in practice - I can definitely imagine someone new expecting that thread rating tags apply to a whole thread. I think there are other grey areas too: threads quite often get guest writers, or an author posting some side-story or other, so it becomes difficult to pin down what exactly is the 'story' to which the rating applies. That said, it's mainly me speculating. I don't think there are absolutely fundamental problems, but I'm still not sure that it's a necessary or easy step. Ratings in posts feel like a better way to handle the whole affair to me - more flexible and less likely to cause confusion. (Not that it actually adresses Comartemis' first objection, but I still think that it can't cause that much harm if you find a kink you're not into in a story you already knew to contain adult subject matter).

[I3uster]

If you dislike gore and porn how did you manage to read the VNs in the first place?

Tsukihime has gore and rape every 2 scenes. I can understand people wanting NSFW tags, but I don't open the FF forum or Fan club forum at school out of common sense, so I thought people do the same or don't give a fuck.

...oh wait, I actually do both of those. But I wouldn't if anyone looked at our logs.

[Mereo Flere]

Somehow I feel that wouldn't work so neatly in practice - I can definitely imagine someone new expecting that thread rating tags apply to a whole thread. I think there are other grey areas too: threads quite often get guest writers, or an author posting some side-story or other, so it becomes difficult to pin down what exactly is the 'story' to which the rating applies. That said, it's mainly me speculating. I don't think there are absolutely fundamental problems, but I'm still not sure that it's a necessary or easy step. Ratings in posts feel like a better way to handle the whole affair to me - more flexible and less likely to cause confusion. (Not that it actually adresses Comartemis' first objection, but I still think that it can't cause that much harm if you find a kink you're not into in a story you already knew to contain adult subject matter).

If the content in a single post has mature content that goes above the rating of the original story, a warning and a spoiler would probably suffice.

In any case, I certainly don't add tags concerning the discussion that surrounds a story, nor would I add "Author: Mereo Flere" if I happen to write an omake to say, one of Fishie's stories. That would be silly.

If you dislike gore and porn how did you manage to read the VNs in the first place?

Tsukihime has gore and rape every 2 scenes. I can understand people wanting NSFW tags, but I don't open the FF forum or Fan club forum at school out of common sense, so I thought people do the same or don't give a fuck.

...oh wait, I actually do both of those. But I wouldn't if anyone looked at our logs.

This has always been a silly argument. Okay, so maybe I like buffalo wings. Sometimes, bufffalo wings happen to be hot. Really hot. As in, people should put in a warning to mentally prepare you - if you want to even eat it in the first place; after finding out that it's that hot, you might decide you'd prefer something milder.

It doesn't really matter if you've had stuff that's as hot or even hotter than the current wings you have on your plate.

There's also quite a number of things in Type Moon that people would like that might not, you know, have introduced them to extreme gore or porn. Some people even specifically skip those parts anyway, since they like the rest of the stuff.

[Seika]

In any case, I certainly don't add tags concerning the discussion that surrounds a story, nor would I add "Author: Mereo Flere" if I happen to write an omake to say, one of Fishie's stories. That would be silly.

The problem, though, comes when a thread labelled 12 (for example), ends up having an adult guest entry or an off-topic snippet added with questionable material. I'd be somewhat sympathetic to a person crying foul on encountering 18+ things in there, because it's far from immediately obvious that a rating tag only applies to some of the posts, even only some of the story posts. I'm still concerned by the lack of flexibility compared to the alternative of posted warnings. If we're going to warn anyway for unusual one-off stuff, why must we keep the tag at all?

[Mereo Flere]

Because it's something we're supposed to be warning about anyway?

Though, to be honest, the only thing that would really need to be tagged would be NC-17 stuff.

EDIT: You know what - never mind.

Nobody's going to bother looking at tags all the way on the bottom of the screen for any warnings, really.

[I3uster]

This has always been a silly argument. Okay, so maybe I like buffalo wings. Sometimes, bufffalo wings happen to be hot. Really hot. As in, people should put in a warning to mentally prepare you - if you want to even eat it in the first place; after finding out that it's that hot, you might decide you'd prefer something milder.

It doesn't really matter if you've had stuff that's as hot or even hotter than the current wings you have on your plate.

There's also quite a number of things in Type Moon that people would like that might not, you know, have introduced them to extreme gore or porn. Some people even specifically skip those parts anyway, since they like the rest of the stuff.

You should be prepared for those things if the source material has them in abundance though...

I dont really mind adding NSFW tags, but content/rating tags are imo pretty stupid.

[Mereo Flere]

You should be prepared for those things if the source material has them in abundance though...

The source material itself occasionally takes that stuff out for an all ages version (Realta Nua), or censors it completely in things (Fate/Extra). Coincidentally, there's also a warning about adult content even in the NSFW versions - so if you're using the source material as an example, well, there you go.

And, again, as pointed out in my previous post, you're supposed to be warning people of those things anyway. It's part of the rules, it's polite, and it takes all of three seconds to add a line at the beginning of your post to warn people about it.

I dont really mind adding NSFW tags, but content/rating tags are imo pretty stupid.

The NSFW rating is pretty much the only one that would need to be tagged.

Looking back on the "Tag System" itself, however, most people won't bother going all the way down at the bottom of the page to see any warnings anyway.

Content tags as warnings probably wouldn't work for that reason as well. Tagging things like the status of the fic or its genre probably would help people find kinds of stories they want to read, however.

[Mike1984]

Somehow I feel that wouldn't work so neatly in practice - I can definitely imagine someone new expecting that thread rating tags apply to a whole thread. I think there are other grey areas too: threads quite often get guest writers, or an author posting some side-story or other, so it becomes difficult to pin down what exactly is the 'story' to which the rating applies. That said, it's mainly me speculating. I don't think there are absolutely fundamental problems, but I'm still not sure that it's a necessary or easy step. Ratings in posts feel like a better way to handle the whole affair to me - more flexible and less likely to cause confusion. (Not that it actually adresses Comartemis' first objection, but I still think that it can't cause that much harm if you find a kink you're not into in a story you already knew to contain adult subject matter).

Honestly, though, I don't see the point to having warnings of adult content at all if you're not going to be more specific than just "it's adult content". The entire forum is adult-themed, if you want to avoid such things then you shouldn't be here at all.

A rating system just seems to me like it'll be a bunch of extra work for the author and probably the mods for virtually zero gain. People who aren't interested in porn will still read NC-17 threads because they might be something interesting but with a small amount of porn (Elf's stories, for instance) and people who are trying to avoid specific things (like Comartemis) will not be helped at all. Just stick to warnings in the post like we have now....

Because it's something we're supposed to be warning about anyway?

Actually, that only applies to pictures. And the reason is that pictures are far more likely to be noticed by someone looking over your shoulder....

I do think that NSFW fics should be labelled as such, but by and large they already are.

Though, to be honest, the only thing that would really need to be tagged would be NC-17 stuff.

Of course, but we have that already. People who write lemon fics mark them as "lemon".

EDIT: You know what - never mind.

Nobody's going to bother looking at tags all the way on the bottom of the screen for any warnings, really.

Yeah, exactly. It's far better to warn people in the post than to use tagging for this purpose.

[Fafnir]

This discussion is already crowded as is, so please just assume I'm repeating everything Seika says like a creepy, stalking echo.

[NuitTombee]

Update Bump - Added author tag for Seine and tagged a story or two of previously added authors.