because it's spelled in Japanese.Originally Posted by bassgs435
because it's spelled in Japanese.
Almost nobody calls it that in English.
In any case, Prillya is functionally more like Pretty Sammy than Nanoha.
Nobody calls it anything in English because nobody really cares it exists, so the Japanese short form is just about the only one there is. Anyway, the connection to Nanoha in the same sentence should make what I was talking about obvious.
Also, Tenchi Muyo was racy from start to finish and Pretty Sammy just followed the same trend, Prillya is a complete tonal shift from the original in addition to turning fanservice up to 11. It's not a coincidence that it's been by far the most popular when reapproaching elements from its originator (the events of Oath Under Snow and preceding arc) than when Zwei Herz was doing its usual thing, even if the latter probably sold twice as much on (uncensored) BD's.
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Tonal shift? Sorry, are you seriously implying the eroges which established the series weren't racy? The series which created a foothold with eroge players which is an influence that continues to this day in its character designs? You know with artists like Ototsugu, Ishida, RAITA, and Hiroyama who came in when the series was catering to those eroge players?
Prillya doesn't do anything different from the two series it derives from, the focus on Illya's bath scenes aren't even original because they were introduced as a concept in Hollow Ataraxia. In fact Prillya takes a lot of its' influence from Hollow Ataraxia as well as Tiger Dojo. Remember those? The latter which lampshaded the fact Illya had scrapped H-scenes?
You keep acting like Fate is on this moral pedestal, but its source work is a teenager fucking a 15 year old girl King Arthur for God sake.
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It wasn't obvious because that post clearly made more sense in your head. I still dunno what you meant by that post talking about Nanoha and Triangle Heart. What point were you trying to make?
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It makes sense if you know the story behind them, so...story time: Triangle Heart was an obscure (decently popular for its time, but it never made it big) eroge series. At some point after the third game, they made a fandisk titles Lyrical Toy Box with several "what if" scenarios, one of which included the protagonist's little sister, one Takamachi Nanoha, becoming a magical girl. The spin-off was unexpectedly popular to the point of spawning an anime, Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha... and the rest is history.
That explained, you can hopefully see what I mean when I say that Prillya (originally an eroge spin-off) had a chance to pull a Nanoha (become a multiple anime-and-spinoff-spanning franchise of its own that dwarfed the original) but they decided to make another ToraHa (stick with the old recipe that will fade into obscurity in a few years) instead.
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I know the story behind Nanoha and ToraHa, and only now your post made sense,. Stop being a condescending asshole and admit you didn't comunicate your intentions well. Now, besides that:
The situations are different. ToraHa stopped and was never that big. Prillya never had that chance as Fate is more famous and more importantly, kept getting spinoffs everywhere. Zero killed every chance of Prillya replicating what Nanoha did, even if it didn't go in this direction
This is what Hiroyama wanted and this is what we have. Prisma has no obligation of replicating Nanoha. Stop being angry about Hiroyama not reading your mind and writing what he wants instead of whatever fanfic you have in your head. It's arrogant, if I'm being honest
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A little bit of funny trivia is that Triangle Heart was one of TakaJun’s 10/10 kamige, which is why he translated Wanko to Kurasou (same writer).
My post was perfectly clear if you knew the story, so if you claim you did and still didn't understand what I was trying to say maybe you should have read it a bit more carefully before jumping to conclusions.
Ιf it was just me being a weirdo then maybe I'd give your frankly insulting suggestion a second thought, but it's a fact that Prillya generated the most interest (and talk) when it stepped off the beaten path. We're not talking what-ifs here, you can go ahead and count how many forum posts were made discussing the Miyuverse arc versus how many posts discussed Chloe and Illya's latest escapade to the hot springs or the beach or wherever else they went to fanservice. Hiroyama doesn't need to write "whatever fanfic I have in my head", he was already writing an interesting story that diverged from the original (or returned to the original's roots as a shonen rather than an eroge, rather); in fact, he's still technically writing that story. But since he also presumably also needs to pay the bills, he decided to push some more fanservice on the side, which coupled with the fact that the main series is in a month-long hiatus is going to send the wrong message to any anime-only whose interest might have been attracted by Oath Under Snow. This terrible timing is what my commentary has been about from the outset, which you seem to consistently ignore in order to attack me for not liking fanservice or something instead.
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That's actually interesting.
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Once and always and nevermore.
It was confusing. I'm attacking you for being a self absorbed asshole who thinks he's right 10000000000000% of the time and everyone is wrong. In fact, you still are being confusing.
So the "old formula" you talked about was fanservice? Not recycling stuff from the original?. And Hiroyama is free to do what he wants. You or some hypothetical anime-only don't like it? Too bad.
And you're using a popularity argument. Good. Then: You must agree with me that SAO is great. I mean, it's popular enough to go from WN and LN to anime, manga, a whole franchise of videogames that have become an alternate timeline to the original events, and several spinoffs (one of which also had an anime)
And SAO is popular enough for Alicization to get 4 cours to itself, even if split, which is a luxury not many shows get.
So, will you agree that SAO is good? Or will you defend your own opinion and thus agree that there's nothing inherently wrong with Prisma doing it's thing even if it doesn't make it popular?
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The 'The author is free to do whatever they want even if it's bad' argument and the 'This is good/bad because a majority says it is' arguments are both as bad, I think, but then I also think neither side of this discussion truly means that either. Maybe you two should step back for a little, calm down as you ponder this, and then try to rephrase your respective points better.
Who decides what's bad and good?.No one. Thus, as long as no humans are harmed making it, saying "it's bad" is no reason to argue Hiroyama should do something
different.
In terms of legality and morality, there are no anime that shouldn't exist. Even Mars of Destruction. Even Garzey's Wing. The creators were free to make that. And people were free to shit on it. But saying they shouldn't have been made and don't deserve to exist will always be wrong. Simply "I may hate your story, but I'll die to defend your right to tell it"
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Everyone also has as much of a right to criticize as others have it to create, and part of criticizing is saying something is bad if one thinks it IS bad.
There are things that were most likely better off never written, as the Protocols of Zion, which caused a fair lot of racial persecution and discrimination, and the same could be said about harmful propaganda in general, but granted, that's hardly directly related to the matter at hand here. Just saying that no right ever is absolute, and that includes that to create something. Our rights end up where they interfere with others' own rights. That would include actual pederastic material involving real minors, but I wouldn't put something like Prisma Illya in the same boat as that.
And I never said you can't criticise. But like I said, criticism should be made from a "I may hate this, but I won't deny it's right to exist" perspective (unless it's porn of actual existing children, a recording of someone being actually murdered, propaganda and other kinds of vile material that do cause harm to existing people, like you said).
Problem is, Deathappens is being very confusing with the Nanoha metaphor (and his insistence on it being perfectly clear and it being my fault if I don't get it), and trying really hard to argue "I (and some other people) don't like this, so it shouldn't have been made and the author should have made something that I (and these people who agree with me) like", which nope.
It'd be one thing if we were arguing how Prisma could be more popular, but the argument here is about the show, manga and marketing being inherently wrong, which they aren't
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Honestly I think all three of you should just stop this train of thought because it sounds like each one of you is trying to hold a different conversation than the other two.
No, I think I'll just stop arguing with you because I honestly don't care enough about what the Prillya anime does or doesn't do to continue this (this all started by an off-hand sarcastic comment) and equally honestly I don't think you're going to reconsider your opinion or even your opinion of what my opinion is, so it'd be pointless even if I did. I. don't. care.
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Once and always and nevermore.
My sinful opinion is that Hiroyama should release a chapter already, it feels like it's been 6 months or something like that.
Next chapter better be damn long too.
I'll be going on chapter watch the day after tomorrow when Compace releases. Hopefully I'll have a chapter to post.
Hiroyama's been MIA on his twitter since the end of last month, it's possible he's cutting out distractions to focus on work catch up.
Volume 11 is also still scheduled for release next month.
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Now that's something we can all agree on. I also want a new chapter
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