Make you the Servant of Shinji?Originally Posted by Airen
And really Koto he is obviously Chaotic, you are really going to call him a dick because he acted in the way you expected him? Maybe hold him to the penalty if he isn't good enough to escape punishment but holding him to some standard he obviously does not believe in is pretty dickish in itself.
Indeed, Robin didn't know any other way to fight, throughout his life it was one man vs an army. He didn't have the luxury of going "lol I'm gonna fight you all head on by myself!"
He was completely human, unlike a lot of HS.
It's why I think he's so badass.
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Assassin is fine because he has actual fighting ability. Even though he's invisible half the time for no real reason.Well then the Assassin class is screwed...
Anyway I think that skill of Rider's just makes difficult voyages go well or something? Not really a battle skill.
I'm just questioning the "aw, poor thing, he had no choice but to randomly attack people, so he should be an exception to the rules!"
Well he obviously shouldn't be pitied because he is apparently skilled enough to assassinate and snipe people. And I don't like using words like should to describe behavior. If the rules are disadvantageous to him then I personally think he has a right to not follow them if he chooses, and when he does that anyone personally invested in the rules can say "Hey, stop that" and smash his brains in with their super powers.
^This.
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Except apparently not because it doesn't work, so I guess he just sucks, lol.
Nah, Robin Hood is awesome.
It doesn't work because you're the protagonist, ergo, plot armor.
It's the same reason Archer can't kill Shirou.
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So he plays against the rules to gain the upper hand. What if his opponent, who is hypothetically far superior, starts breaking the rules as well?
So, the winner will be the one who knows how to break the rules better... That's not a battle, that's carnage.
Why? Why the fuck does it matter if you kill the enemy by stealth or in an "honourable" battle? They're still dead either way. If they don't want to risk be killed, then they shouldn't have entered a tournament that involves fighting to the death.
Then his master is an idiot. It makes no difference whether they die in the arena or in a surprise attack, they're just as dead, so why does it matter exactly how they end up that way?Hell, even his Master went "excuse me wtf are you doing" and used a Command Spell to stop him.
Anyone who abides by the "rules" in a fight to the death is a moron, plain and simple. When it's kill or be killed, you do everything in your power to ensure that you're the killer and not the victim, regardless of any "rules" which may supposedly govern the contest.
Yeah, this.
Robin Hood is Chaotic Good, not Lawful Stupid. It's totally unreasonable to expect him to conform to your concept of "honour" when he clearly does not share that concept, and it is even more unreasonable to claim he is not good because he chooses not to do so.
Actually, now you're doing him a dis-service, by assuing that he only fought "dishonourably" because he knew no other way of fighting, as if fighting like that is somehow wrong.
He didn't fight like that because he had no choice (although he did indeed not have any other choice), he fought like that because it was the best way to defeat evil, and as far as he is concerned defeating evil is more important than some retarded code of honour.
Although, I will agree with you that it's a hell of a lot easier to be Chivalrous when you have a massive army to fight with, just like it's easy to complain about the enemy using Guerilla tactics when you have a billion-dollar army and they have a bunch of fanatical men with AK47s (see: Vietnam and (repeatedly) Afghanistan for examples). The rules of war in his time are almost always designed to ensure that the powerful are protected from the consequences of their actions and those without power are punished for trying to protect themselves, and even today that rings true to a certain extent. They act to entrench those already in power and to discourage rebellion, so no remotely sane rebel would ever obey them.
I'm not saying he should be an exception to the rules, I'm saying that expecting people to follow the rules in a fight to the death is just plain idiotic.
Then the best person wins, as expected.
And?So, the winner will be the one who knows how to break the rules better...
Knowing how to break the rules is a perfectly valid tactic.
How?That's not a battle, that's carnage.
Just as many people end up dead either way, so how is it any more "carnage" than fighting in the arena is?
It does matter when YOU get defeated, with YOUR life in their hands.Why? Why the fuck does it matter if you kill the enemy by stealth or in an "honourable" battle? They're still dead either way. If they don't want to risk be killed, then they shouldn't have entered a tournament that involves fighting to the death.
Makes me wonder why you're not a Gil's fan.Anyone who abides by the "rules" in a fight to the death is a moron, plain and simple. When it's kill or be killed, you do everything in your power to ensure that you're the killer and not the victim, regardless of any "rules" which may supposedly govern the contest.
Probably because in an arena you won't find people to be used as living shields for example...How?
Just as many people end up dead either way, so how is it any more "carnage" than fighting in the arena is?
Not every Knight follows rules, and not every Rogue fights dishonourably. You must be ready for everything.I'm not saying he should be an exception to the rules, I'm saying that expecting people to follow the rules in a fight to the death is just plain idiotic.
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"Fighting to the death" is different from "getting stabbed in the back while minding your own business". Can you not understand the idea of giving both parties else an equal chance?Why? Why the fuck does it matter if you kill the enemy by stealth or in an "honourable" battle? They're still dead either way. If they don't want to risk be killed, then they shouldn't have entered a tournament that involves fighting to the death.
"lol i kil u before u can get me" is just cowardly.
Yes, but the same applies the other way around. Ultimately, killing people is bad. Doing so "honourably" does not make it any less bad.
Because Gil is a mass-murdering asshole, perhaps?Makes me wonder why you're not a Gil's fan.
And, BTW, the Grail War is not a "fight to the death", at least not for the masters. Killing masters (except in self-defense) is wrong because they don't have to die. In Extra, the losers die no matter what, so it does not matter how you defeat them.
Yes, but as soon as the week starts they are already "fighting to the death". And, even if it has not, he's going to have to fight them to the death eventually, so I don't see why he should be expected to wait until they've formally acknowledged it.
Yes, and he is, by using his own skills to his advantage.Can you not understand the idea of giving both parties else an equal chance?
No, it's not. It's just plain logic."lol i kil u before u can get me" is just cowardly.
However, what is cowardly is being unable to accept being defeated in a manner other than the one you expected to be. And, further, it's idiotic. Why the fuck should someone else be expected to hold to your sense of honour?
As far as I know he never used anyone as a human shield, the only people in there with him were you and your servant.
No, if he knows he can't beat you any other way than it's the smart efficient decision. Marching to his death for lolchilvary, while KNOWING that he can't win would be a stupid thing to do.
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It may change your sentence from instant death or death in tortures to confinement.Yes, but the same applies the other way around. Ultimately, killing people is bad. Doing so "honourably" does not make it any less bad.
Killing masters is pretty natural for some. The masters know what they're putting themselves into, so if they die it's not a problem.Because Gil is a mass-murdering asshole, perhaps?
And, BTW, the Grail War is not a "fight to the death", at least not for the masters. Killing masters (except in self-defense) is wrong because they don't have to die. In Extra, the losers die no matter what, so it does not matter how you defeat them.
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No, if you went and killed a king "honorably" you would still be executed. (If they caught you, which would be a hell of a lot more likely if you killed them honorably.) It's how people view the victim that would change your sentence.
Robin Hood's style isn't cowardly so much as it is efficient. If your enemies can't deal with that, then it sucks to be them.
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So just attacking someone randomly is no different from having a mutual agreement to fight.Ultimately, killing people is bad. Doing so "honourably" does not make it any less bad.
Admit it Mike, you just get a hard-on at the idea of breaking rules.
No, they're preparing for their fight to the death at the end of the week. You're not even supposed to fight before then (though apparently everyone does anyway)Yes, but as soon as the week starts they are already "fighting to the death".
Since when has legality been the same as morality?
It's still wrong to me. They're human beings, they shouldn't have to die.Killing masters is pretty natural for some. The masters know what they're putting themselves into, so if they die it's not a problem.
Well, not quite. If you kill the king in a manner which he considers "honourable" (i.e. in battle), you'll probably be OK, because either you're a soldier from an enemy country or else a rebel who will rapidly be retroactively upgraded to national hero when the new king takes over in his place.
Attacking someone randomly who you know you will later have to fight to the death is no different from having a mutual agreement to fight them to the death, no. Further, if you decide to kill a person, it is not any better if you do so after forcing them into a duel.
Only retarded rules, like that one.Admit it Mike, you just get a hard-on at the idea of breaking rules.
Yeah, and his "preparation" includes ensuring that the enemy fails to turn upNo, they're preparing for their fight to the death at the end of the week. You're not even supposed to fight before then (though apparently everyone does anyway)
It's different when this "mutual agreement" bans your way of fighting. If you were put up against Berserker, and you found a way to defeat him beforehand, while knowing that you have no way of defeating him once the agreed date of battle arrived, wouldn't you get rid of him while you can, instead of marching to your own death?
Call it cowardly if you will, but it's just tactics.
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Which failed.Yeah, and his "preparation" includes ensuring that the enemy fails to turn up
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