Nasuverse Genderbending Thread

[warellis]

I wish I knew what they are saying:
https://twitter.com/maigo_007/status/893077383045042177

[Walnut Sparks]

Dunno about Lancer but Shirou has to be saying either "Stay away from Tohsaka" or "You can't have Tohsaka."

[asterism42]

[The Geek]

I require sauce.

[Fan_Fic_Reader]

https://twitter.com/f_tnbkr/status/997892472545034242


https://twitter.com/f_tnbkr/status/992705070914416642

[Nobody]

Cute.

[warellis]

Any genderbent young Zouken pics? I've seen like 2. A loli pic and one where all the Matou are genderbends but are there any others?

[Five_X]

Fess up, you really want an avenue to get genderbent old wrinkly Zouken pics.

[asterism42]

[warellis]

Fess up, you really want an avenue to get genderbent old wrinkly Zouken pics.

I'll admit that would be a neat possibility.

[warellis]

Looking through some of the older pics, like on Page 131, Page 134, Page 138, Page 139, and Page 139, how does genderbending of the main characters, like the human Masters & Servants, of Stay Night, possibly change social experiences and perceptions in their day-to-day lives?

For example, are male school idols often treated similarly as female school idols? Or would the social treatment at school of a female Shirou be different from the male version even if they still have the same mentality and helpful nature and such?

[RoydGolden]

Looking through some of the older pics, like on Page 131, Page 134, Page 138, Page 139, and Page 139, how does genderbending of the main characters, like the human Masters & Servants, of Stay Night, possibly change social experiences and perceptions in their day-to-day lives?

For example, are male school idols often treated similarly as female school idols? Or would the social treatment at school of a female Shirou be different from the male version even if they still have the same mentality and helpful nature and such?

Shirou is an interesting example because he has both stereotypically masculine (chivalric bordering on chauvinist, overly protective of the people he cares about) and feminine (good cook, self-sacrificing and puts other people's needs before himself) traits. Kotomine is also someone I can't see changing at all, though his struggle to live up to his family's expectations and ultimately breaking would probably take on new connotations if he were a woman.

[warellis]

Shirou is an interesting example because he has both stereotypically masculine (chivalric bordering on chauvinist, overly protective of the people he cares about) and feminine (good cook, self-sacrificing and puts other people's needs before himself) traits. Kotomine is also someone I can't see changing at all, though his struggle to live up to his family's expectations and ultimately breaking would probably take on new connotations if he were a woman.

Yeah the reason why I started wondering about that was because I was thinking about how female school idol types and their male counterparts are often treated in fiction. Female school idols are often portrayed in fiction as being popular with both males and females, with females wanting to become friends with them or getting close to them or going to them for advice while males often want to date them and such.

However the male counterpart of the female school idol is often only more popular with females I notice, as in they want to date them/get into a relationship with them while males often treat them with irritation, annoyed that so many girls flock to them.

That all made me start to wonder if a female Shirou would be treated differently from male Shirou even if she did many of the same things he did, like fixing up stuff or helping clean enough to the point of being considered a fake school janitor and such.

[Rafflesiac]

All of the girls still kyaaaaa~ for Tohsaka-senpai. Sakura's worms are more painful than ever. Shinji is a classic shoujo villain. Shirou is the standard nice girl who guides the transfer student on their first day of class. Illya is substantially creepier. Souichiro suddenly gets doujins. Kotomine's missing a dorm to terrorize.

W H E W Archer and Lancer. W H E W Gil. Rider is now a shoujo main love interest. Caster is rapier than ever. Saber's bathing woes cease to exist. False Assassin becomes k_hand: while True Assassin stays the same. Herk is now the greatest mother.

[warellis]

All of the girls still kyaaaaa~ for Tohsaka-senpai. Sakura's worms are more painful than ever. Shinji is a classic shoujo villain. Shirou is the standard nice girl who guides the transfer student on their first day of class. Illya is substantially creepier. Souichiro suddenly gets doujins. Kotomine's missing a dorm to terrorize.

W H E W Archer and Lancer. W H E W Gil. Rider is now a shoujo main love interest. Caster is rapier than ever. Saber's bathing woes cease to exist. False Assassin becomes k_hand: while True Assassin stays the same. Herk is now the greatest mother.

Yeah but do the boys go kyaaaaa~ for him as well? And does he discover he's a budding bisexual at some point?

I have to wonder, for a male Sakura, what the abuse issue would be for him. The same as in canon, being raped, in addition to the Crest Worms?

Thinking on Illya, it's strange how just changing her to a male suddenly makes her actions toward Shirou (or girl Shirou in thise case) look far creepier.

Is that due to different societal expectations we have on men & women you think? Or is it just the hypocrisy of forgiving cute women in fiction often despite them generally being as nasty as male villains can be?

[asterism42]

Illya was always creepy in SN. Even in HF where she's an ally she's creepy.

In this case, it's a classic double standard in that modern society has trouble seeing men as victims.

[Rafflesiac]

Illya was always creepy in SN. Even in HF where she's an ally she's creepy.

In this case, it's a classic double standard in that modern society has trouble seeing men as victims.

It's not that she wasn't already creepy, but that shotas are scientifically proven to be the creepiest form of humanoid in creation.

[RoydGolden]

Is that due to different societal expectations we have on men & women you think? Or is it just the hypocrisy of forgiving cute women in fiction often despite them generally being as nasty as male villains can be?

Pretty much. "Cute and psycho" tends to be considered a much more forgivable trait in female characters than males, though I can definitely think of some male examples too (Q from Bungou Stray Dogs and Kanato from Diabolik Lovers spring to mind).

[Rafflesiac]

Male Sakura being jealous of Chad Rin is a whole other can of worms though.

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[warellis]

Male Sakura being jealous of Chad Rin is a whole other can of worms though.

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hue

And lots of potential incest complexes still? :P At least in fanfiction.