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    Quote Originally Posted by warellis View Post
    The planet Namek from Dragonball Z. It had a long arc, and at one point it took 12 episodes to cover a timespan of 5 minutes in-setting.
    Ah, right.

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    Finally got an account here, so I'll place my two cents. This magical girl spinoff has gone off the rails in an awesome way...

    --- So with the reveal that every time we have seen Darius was in fact Julian I guess "preparing" himself mentaly for being body jacked... But even that's a theory. All we know for certain is that we have not actually conversed with the real Darius in present day. Also in this world, Pandora's Box/Pithos was never opened. And that whatever goal Julain is after, it has to benefit Darius goals, and it requires (thanks to Gil being helpful in his golden way.) two holy Grail.


    __ That's not even touching Illya's world, as it's made clear that Miyu and the cards being sent to Illya's world caused the delicate political stability of Illyas world to start breaking down. The fact Bazet is still a player in the narrative after all this does imply that returning home won't solve their problems. And if Darius/Julian end up going after them due to being both Grails, this whole thing will escalate to the point of ignition.

    If that happens, this won't be a structured, orderly ritual with rules. Darius Ainsworth's end goal is tied to that cube and Erika, which when they revealed it, Kotomine said the Ainsworth's will finally be noitced by something. Current theory is Counterforce summoned only Tanaka cause Miyuverse world is near dead and thus weak.

    Hwoever What the hell is going to happen, if the Ainsworth's start pulling the same shenangins in Illyas world, where the Alaya and Gaea would absolutely still have a prescense there.


    And the best part? The reason all of this is occuring? The motivation for why? The end goal that this tactics will esnure? The method themselves? We don't know. NOBODY knows what Darius is really after EXCEPT for Darius himself. And if he was responsible for Pandora's Box not being opened in this world, that would me Darius has been plotting this since the Age of God's, specifically an

    Era where Medea would have been around.... I wonder if there was another reason that Caster card had to go....


    So in short, if all the plotlines are tied together well narrative..this manga could possibly escalate to a Holy Grail War to end all Holy Grail Wars. Because honestly, that's what it feels like it bulidng up to.

    Because honestly the only way the Hero of Justice parallels with the Ainsworth's can end is with Shirou v Julian, and Kiritsgu vs Darius, I don't care its impossible, it's Primsa Illya, so I can dream DAMN IT.


    Honestly, unlike every other Fate spinoff, except for maybe Grand Order, we cant really guess an ending. We could finish 3rei with the Ainsworth's finally out and removed from the picture, so they focus on the other plotlines, but it works so much better if tie them all into one climatic event, but even so it still requrie finally expanding on what's the political issues are in Prismaverse regarding the Magus Association.



    Like I said before this magical girl spinoff has gone off the god damned rails and into madness. And it is glorious

    Seriously though, how far do you think this will escalate if they choose to tie all these loose threads into a narrative. What insane scenario would be possible knowing all the info we have on these plot element?

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    In regards to the final grail war, I'm expecting Gilgamesh to reactivate the HGW in Illya's world.
    My main reason for this theory is that Gilgamesh cannot finish his reincarnation, even if he installs his own card. The current grail formula does not support it.
    Instead, Gilgamesh would have to go back to Illya's world, and finish his reincarnation using the Fuyuki formula.

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    Speaking on Bazett, I really want an excuse for Miyuverse Shirou to re-enter the fray with a Avenger card. Miyuverse Shirou already defined himself as all the evil in the world,. His design as Archer already had Avenger elements. Why not take said reference to it's obvious conclusion? After all, Angelica proves that installing a servant simply adds to your own abilities as a magus (Gate of Babylon+ dispalcement... WTF)

    and since the whole concept for Avenger in HA is that he assimilates and merges with the personality of whoever he's trying to be due to his orgin of zero/nothing,, you could take the idea of complete install to a even weirder level

    But in all honest, Miyuverse Emiya using Avenger card interacting with Bazett, or Kotomine, or Caren from Illya's world. The dialogue writes itself

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    Considering that an AM card would most likely corrupt the shit out of its user, nah, one edgy EMIYA alter is enough in Fate. Really don't need Shirou going dark in this one.

    Not only would it undermine Shirou's arc in OUtS, it would undermine Sakura's too. Sometimes a story can have just about enough of corrupted good characters that need saving.

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    Currently working on this, don't know when / if I'll finish. You know how this goes.

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    The movie was, uh...

    It was pretty meh, tbh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eddyak View Post
    The movie was, uh...

    It was pretty meh, tbh.
    I loved it. I find it to be the best to have come out of Prisma. There's not too much from the series that I actually enjoy, but the movie was one thing.

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    So Bea was only a year older than Ilya when she died. I see Hiroyama likes to traumatize them young. I’m really surprised how these few chapters have made me like Beatrice so much. She was annoying before, but when you learn she’s basically a big chuuni with self-esteem issues crushing on her childhood (only) friend, it’s actually cute.

    Julian is also hard to hate. He acts like an asshole, but it’s clear he cares about his friends and his ideal. He does bad things, but it’s hard to call him a bad person. Shirou brought it up before in the flashback, but we didn’t really see this until now. He’s someone who was thrown in a shitty position and given a losing hand.

    It really helps that we know exactly what kind of future the world is headed to. The world of Notes is one of the few true dead ends that we get to see in the Type Moon franchise. The demise of humanity is used a lot as a plot point like in F/GO and Fate/Extra, but it’s mostly forgotten because we never get to see its effects directly. Meanwhile, Hiroyama welded an actual short story detailing the death of the human race to his magical girl spinoff. The goal of the series, therefore, isn’t to avoid a hypothetical bad end, but to save humanity from an established timeline where the planet is dead, true humans are extinct, and the remaining human subspecies are slowly killed off battling planetary level threats trying to purge them like cancer cells.

    ... Geeze, no wonder Nasu praised Hiroyama for 3rei’s plot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eddyak View Post
    The movie was, uh...

    It was pretty meh, tbh.
    It felt really rushed to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Broke View Post
    So Bea was only a year older than Ilya when she died. I see Hiroyama likes to traumatize them young. I’m really surprised how these few chapters have made me like Beatrice so much. She was annoying before, but when you learn she’s basically a big chuuni with self-esteem issues crushing on her childhood (only) friend, it’s actually cute.

    Julian is also hard to hate. He acts like an asshole, but it’s clear he cares about his friends and his ideal. He does bad things, but it’s hard to call him a bad person. Shirou brought it up before in the flashback, but we didn’t really see this until now. He’s someone who was thrown in a shitty position and given a losing hand.

    It really helps that we know exactly what kind of future the world is headed to. The world of Notes is one of the few true dead ends that we get to see in the Type Moon franchise. The demise of humanity is used a lot as a plot point like in F/GO and Fate/Extra, but it’s mostly forgotten because we never get to see its effects directly. Meanwhile, Hiroyama welded an actual short story detailing the death of the human race to his magical girl spinoff. The goal of the series, therefore, isn’t to avoid a hypothetical bad end, but to save humanity from an established timeline where the planet is dead, true humans are extinct, and the remaining human subspecies are slowly killed off battling planetary level threats trying to purge them like cancer cells.

    ... Geeze, no wonder Nasu praised Hiroyama for 3rei’s plot.
    To be fair, the thing that is made apparent is that Humanity has fucked the earth and even the things that birthed us up the bum and expect the Earth to nurture us until we leave it's dead carcass for other planets to do that same.

    Pretty sucky both ways.

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    Yeah, but even Type Venus thinks humans didn't deserve this, and she was shot in the face by one.

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    Trying to save Miyu's world and all of the humanity in it is just too much effort. They should all just escape to Illya's world instead, and let Miyu's world sail its course, since that is a possible option. Much easier. Much more selfish and less benevolent, of course, but I'm selfish and lazy, so that's what I would do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rokudaime View Post
    Trying to save Miyu's world and all of the humanity in it is just too much effort. They should all just escape to Illya's world instead, and let Miyu's world sail its course, since that is a possible option. Much easier. Much more selfish and less benevolent, of course, but I'm selfish and lazy, so that's what I would do.
    This is a magical girls mangá.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinetree View Post
    This is a magical girls mangá.
    And like all magical girl manga, it's gonna end with a lot of people dying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rokudaime View Post
    Trying to save Miyu's world and all of the humanity in it is just too much effort. They should all just escape to Illya's world instead, and let Miyu's world sail its course, since that is a possible option. Much easier. Much more selfish and less benevolent, of course, but I'm selfish and lazy, so that's what I would do.

    Good thing you aren't a magical girl, huh? :V

    E: Selfish and lazy described Sailor Moon at the start, but she got her shit together.

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    You know considering they have 3 wishing devices on their side (give or take 1 depending on if Irisviel shows up and whether you count Illya/Kuro as one or two) I do wonder whether they'll try pulling off a wish together in the end of things.

    Looking back on it while Miyu isn't inherently a grail she's actually a super strong for one considering she was able to go through the whole wish granting process without dying or becoming imobile like the ones we've seen so far. Sure her wish basically amounted to just some use of the 2nd magic but that's still pretty decent.

    I do wonder whether Illya and Kuro will eventually merge into one being by the end of the series. Whenever these split personality plots come up a frequent resolution is the merging of both sides but I'm unsure of the applicability here.

    I assume the Magni Card is permanently damaged and unable to return to Thor Mode at this point? As the Thor mode seems like a pretty strong asset to give to our heroes.
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