On the Mike Facebook Controversy.

[Mike1984]

I honestly can't think how Flame did that lol >_> I mean he has your location and age along with your major, yeah. But you already said Mike isn't your real name >_>. I suppose the trip to Japan coulda helped but you said it was set to slightly private <_<

I probably have given out enough information for people to find me if they keep track of it all and really tried. I'm probably not the only one that's true for, though (I'm pretty sure I could find Seika, for instance, if I looked hard enough).

I mean, I could understand if it was adi (at least then you have more information [Imperial College of London lololololol]) being found but I can't think how people have found yours, Kotonoha's (adi found hers iirc), and other peoples (I know quite a few of them were found but none of them were actually posted publicly) >_>

Well, Koto found mine because she used my e-mail address from Milbunk's wiki (it's private there, but since she's an admin, like everyone, she had the power to view it anyway). Flame I'm not sure about, but I have given out more information than you seem to have noticed, and he was evidentially keeping track of it better than I am....

Well, that's actually without trying/looking. I'm not sure, but if I actually tried I might somehow be able to get more info (actually, yeah, I probably would now that I think of it. As you are on a bunch of sites you must keep your email public on at least one of them. And your email would go a long way lol).

My e-mail is not public anywhere, to my knowledge.

This is just theory crafting not actual consideration. As the only site I know Mike visits is Animesuki and I heard that like, years ago (I actually did once see him there iirc someone linked to a thread and I saw him).

But yeah, I don't think they would really harm you (but that could be an opinion of ignorance as I kinda still think of Neir as when he used to be the pseudo Elder and didn't really care about you).

Wasn't really arguing that point, though. I just saw that his intent was being argued, and pitched in my own opinion.

True, we don't know his intent. But, then again, I know for a fact that Flame's intent was not particularly malicious, and that didn't save him.

They are posting a link in public domain, which you placed there in the first place.

It was something you chose to place in public, located with information you freely gave out in public.

I did not "choose to make it public". I chose to make it such that people could find it if they knew me, but not that it could be shared around the entire internet.

It's like you can say you did not want to kill someone, but manslaughter is manslaughter. You can say you did not want to share, but you shared, you gave out large amounts of identifiable information permanently recorded in this forum, and you placed the information there.

Honestly, I should not have to worry about whether I can tell people what university I went to or what subject I did. That is not good for the forum, not one bit.

You can only blame him from ethics perspective, not legal perspective.

Yeah and, shockingly, I don't give a flying fuck about the "legal perspective". I never have and I never will.

The thing with ethics is that, you may think it is the worst thing ever, others may only find it frown-worthy.

And the thing with law is that it's entirely arbitrary and is at best the codification of someone else's ethics. So, why should it be seen as any more important?

Ya, but he is villainfying him, while it was just a retarded joke, ultimately spawned by mike's own failure.

You get less sympathy when you make minimal effort safeguarding your privacy.

Also, on a side note, this is time to mend fence and not driving Neir off the cliff.

With what he has and your posts in this forum, he can destroy your academic career, or at least making the next while miserable.

Yes, quite possibly (hell, some of the stuff I've posted on here is outright illegal, thanks to the government being retarded), which is one of the reasons why I don't want to mix the two.

The fact that he did not do any of that, means it is a joke without malice. Your furious pursuit on this matter, however, may turn a joke into something more serious and malicious.

Well, perhaps it was, which is why he's not been permanently banned. And I'm not "furiously pursuing" it, I'm just saying that it was not a justified response.

Mend fences and minimize damage, man. Hopefully all this just blows over.

Well, that depends on how Neir acts when he returns. I've forgiven Flame already, and I quite explicitly did not ask for Neir to be permabanned (indeed, I was opposed to it). If he apologises and says it was a mistake, then I'll forgive him for it.

Also, maybe you should start sterilizing your past posts, just to be safe. Talk to the mods about it. I think it is better to be safe than sorry.

No, because I don't want to "sterilise" my posts, and nor should it be necessary to do so. People should be able to speak freely without being threatened. Plus, it's kind-of pointless now that Neir has shared the link. Anyone who is likely to care will be able to find me anyway.

Are you that dense?

You don't want to turn "internet dick move" into "messing up your real world job".

You can ban Neir, but he still has the information. And then you make him from feeling bad, to feeling bitter and vengeful, then what? Huh?

He loses Internet account, Mike suffers in real world academia.

Well, I can understand that, because I am certainly prone to feeling "bitter and vengeful". But, he has not been permanently banned, and I did not ask for him to be. Of course, if he starts abusing the information, then I would be much more inclined to ask for that....

Although, really, I'm not sure he could do all that much. My facebook account has no incriminating information on it, and he can't prove that the account he linked to is me. Further, this site is hosted in the US, so even the British government couldn't get my details from here without the admins' approval (or a hell of a lot of searching, which I doubt they have time to do).

Plus, the admins have his e-mail address and date of birth, and I can't imagine they'd just sit there and let him get away with something like that. Not to mention that I suspect other people on this site do know who he really is, and if he were to be such a dick they might be inclined to fight back....

[food]

Lol, email account and date of birth. Lol, knowing who each other is.

You think everyone else is doing as you do? Offering real information as asked?

The admins are powerless to help you, if someone really tries to troll you. Time to reflect, man. And stop dumping your private info here.

I hate you with the fury of 1000 suns, but that stays in BL. I don't want to see you burned by trolls in academia, because I have seen a couple of cases happen.

Wise up, and don't be as dumb as nails with your personal info.

Edit:

By the way, trolls harm irl not by actually proving anything against you. Just by trolling you and sending stuff to your supervisor, it is enough to sow doubts and generate whispers. And that is what ruins lives, not any tangible consequences.

You can survive the talk with department head/chair, but forever after, you will be known behind your back as the "Internet porn game guy who posted weird stuff online".

[Mike1984]

Lol, email account and date of birth. Lol, knowing who each other is.

I'm pretty sure there are people on this forum who actually know who Neir really is, and maybe even have his facebook account details.

You think everyone else is doing as you do? Offering real information as asked?

Yes, shockingly. I know Seika has (OK, she might be lying, but I find that unlikely), and I suspect other people have done so also.

Not everyone is like you and assumes the rest of the world is full of assholes who are out to get you. Even in my case, Flame only found it because I basically challenged him to do so.

The admins are powerless to help you, if someone really tries to troll you.

They have access to IP addresses, his e-mail address and his date of birth. I'm pretty sure that would be enough to nail him, especially if he did something outright illegal.

Time to reflect, man. And stop dumping your private info here.

I'm not dumping "private info" here. Saying what subject I study is not "private info", and nor is where I went to university (note that I've not said which college I was at). My name is, and I very carefully avoided giving that, and I avoided giving out my date of birth for the same reason.

Plus, it's a little too late now, anyway. The information is already out there.

[food]

Great, now you just sold Seika out. Well done.

Anyways, you can argue and debate with me all day long and proving my points wrong, but I am telling you what can really happen, and the Internet does not have a debate/talk to you when it decides to do something.

If someone really decides to screw with you, they are not going to message you and have a talk with you about how you feel first.

[TetsuoS2]

Plus, it's a little too late now, anyway. The information is already out there.

Not really, in one way, Facebook has always been there.

[Mike1984]

Great, now you just sold Seika out. Well done.

In what way?

I did not give out any information about her whatsoever.

[food]

And clean up the post you think may be taken out of context can limit any potential damage.

In what way?

I did not give out any information about her whatsoever.

Just by pointing out the information Seika divulged is real.
You just suffered from that.
Lol, dude.

[Mike1984]

And clean up the post you think may be taken out of context can limit any potential damage.

The problem is it's not even "taking them out of context". The actual point of the posts is in itself illegal. And, I'm talking fanfic ideas etc. here, which I don't want to delete. I'd rather fight the fucking government and, if necessary, go to jail than censor myself because of their retarded laws.

Just by pointing out the information Seika divulged is real.
You just suffered from that.
Lol, dude.

I'd like to point out that I don't actually know that, I'm just assuming because it wouldn't make sense for her to be lying.

I don't see how I am in any way "compromising" her. Anyone with a brain would think that already.

[Tobias]

mike, I know its hard, but he is just baiting you. no response you make actually means anything, he just wants to keep you going for a while out of boredom.

[food]

In a way, you are carrying out the resolution of this poorly.

By having all this hub bub, you assured everyone that the information you divulged is real.

Even before, at least some people assumed you are just making up stuff online. Now they just got confirmation.

Even this thread, it is not doing you favours. You should ask the mod to kill it off and try to bury this whole thing as fast as possible.

The faster it fades into the background, the better it is for you. For a PhD, you sure need to level up on resolving urgent issues.

mike, I know its hard, but he is just baiting you. no response you make actually means anything, he just wants to keep you going for a while out of boredom.

Then your troll sensors are broken boy.

If i wanted to troll him, I would not have warned or advice him shit.

Quit being the troll, troll. Reputation in academia is fragile as glass.


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The problem is it's not even "taking them out of context". The actual point of the posts is in itself illegal. And, I'm talking fanfic ideas etc. here, which I don't want to delete. I'd rather fight the fucking government and, if necessary, go to jail than censor myself because of their retarded laws.

The problem is not you are going to jail, the problem is the intangible consequences in your work and social life.

The burn is not apparent. It bites you in department relations and academic advancement.

[Tobias]

ah yes, the "I am trying to have a serious conversation" ploy. a classic of the breed. Next do the one about how people who think you are trolling simply cant understand your unique eloquence and brilliance, thats always a good one.

[food]

ah yes, the "I am trying to have a serious conversation" ploy. a classic of the breed. Next do the one about how people who think you are trolling simply cant understand your unique eloquence and brilliance, thats always a good one.

Gtfo troll. Maybe you will understand one day when you suffer the tedium of the ivory tower.

[Tobias]

sticking with it? well, points for tenacity but your originality quotient is dropping steadily.

[food]

sticking with it? well, points for tenacity but your originality quotient is dropping steadily.

And mods are turning troll?

You are not the one with the potential compromise here. I would love to choke mike dead, but I am doing this out of good will because we are in the same boat.

If you want to stick with being a god damn trolling douche, just gtfo.

Fucking retard.

[TetsuoS2]

food has a point, lives can be easily damned by the Internet.

[Riven]

What's done is done people. Those who have the right to judge have judged. Arguing about the potential merits and consequences of their verdict is pointless. The only thing that this continued conversation is doing is destroying the credibility of both sides.

[food]

What's done is done people. Those who have the right to judge have judged. Arguing about the potential merits and consequences of their verdict is pointless. The only thing that this continued conversation is doing is destroying the credibility of both sides.

It is not a matter of verdict or whatever, it is about damage control and bury this into the background.

Also, avoid having this happening again.

[Riven]

It is not a matter of verdict or whatever, it is about damage control and bury this into the background.

Also, avoid having this happening again.

Tell me then, what are you accomplishing by continuing this conversation? I find it doubtful that the situation is going to change, and the point about this whole affair being unacceptable has already been made. Most of us here will hold onto the lesson, but there's no sense in beating this any further.

[Tobias]

food has a point, lives can be easily damned by the Internet.

sure, thats what the ban was about, everyone was quite concerned about the potential real world implications of what Neir did, but the way he is going about it is pointless insulting. Which is either baiting mike about it, or I suppose might be an example of having worked himself into such a tiff about mike's somewhat cavalier attitude that he is haranguing mike out of some misguided sense of moral responsibility, though to me it looks far more like the former

[food]

Tell me then, what are you accomplishing by continuing this conversation? I find it doubtful that the situation is going to change, and the point about this whole affair being unacceptable has already been made. Most of us here will hold onto the lesson, but there's no sense in beating this any further.

Because I have seen people getting burned by having Internet crossing into their real lives, and I am not sure here Mike has realized the gravity of the situation and how important it is to avoid having things like this happening again in a more malicious environment.

I have already vented and laughed at Mike for being dumb as nails in the IRC, I am trying to help here.

And the mod is just being a fuckwad.

sure, thats what the ban was about, everyone was quite concerned about the potential real world implications of what Neir did, but the way he is going about it is pointless insulting. Which is either baiting mike about it, or I suppose might be an example of having worked himself into such a tiff about mike's somewhat cavalier attitude that he is haranguing mike out of some misguided sense of moral responsibility, though to me it looks far more like the former

No, fuck off. It is one thing to troll me for laughs in GD. It's all fun and games, I am sport for that.

I am trying to make a serious point here, and you are now being infuriating and just an Internet fuckwad.