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    Battle Moon Wars 2 - Discussion/Development

    Battle Moon Wars:

    A turn-based SRPG doujin game based on Type-MOON that plays like a Super Robot Wars title. It is a crossover between several Nasuversian titles.

    It's a cool enough concept with lots of potential, but as anyone who has played it can tell you, it has it's flaws. AKA, WERK fails at storytelling properlike.

    Basically, this shit needs a kick-ass sequel - and here at the Lair is just the place to give birth to it. Here is the basic discussion thread, although anyone with expertise in programming/spriting/the like can use this as well until/if progress becomes large enough to warrant a new thread.


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    Discussing commence!-



    In the same vein as the latest SRW titles, BMW 2's storyline should involve parallel universes and the denziens of said 'verses. Some crazy shit be going down in the Time-Stream/beyond the Root, and the heroes post-BMW 1 get dragged into it to save all of reality. But something...is afoot.


    Who we really care about, the new/new as playable characters:
    (Allies and Enemies)

    Emiya Shirou (Fate-route)
    Emiya Shirou (Unlmited Blade Works-route)
    Inui Arihiko (support, but has a tag-team attack with Lancer[F/SN])
    Mitsuzuri Ayako (support)
    Ryuudou Issei (support)
    Illyasviel Von Einzbern (playable)
    Prism Illya
    Cornelius Alba
    Rani VIII
    Lu Bu!Berserker
    Aozaki Aoko (playable)
    Lio Shirazumi
    Matou Shinji (F/SN)
    Matou Shinji (Fate/EXTRA)
    Rider (Fate/EXTRA)
    Nero!Saber
    Tamamo-no-mae!Caster
    Riesbyfe Strideberg
    Fujimura Taiga (for a combo attack with Illya)
    Neko-Arc
    Neko-Arc Chaos
    Damien Armies
    G-Akiha
    Vlad III!Lancer
    Diarmund
    Lancelot
    Iskander
    Emiya Kiritsugu
    Irisviel Von Einzbern
    Gilles De Rais
    Nursery Rhyme
    Robin Hood
    Dust of Osiris
    Vampire!Sion
    Gun God
    Arima Miyako
    Luviagelita Edelfelt
    Stheno
    Euryale
    Tohsaka Tokiomi
    Matou Kariya
    Waver Velvet
    Uryuu Ryuunosuke
    Kayneth El' Melloi
    Lil' Gilgamesh
    Kotomine Kirei


    And of course, more crossover team attacks!


    Feel free to add to the discussion.
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    I have a story idea which doesn't involve any OC to be involved yet bridges the various Nasuverse stories.

    Basically what if Angra Mainyou indeed emerges from the Grail and manifests in full? The Counterforce didn't react because Angra Mainyou was a natural counter-reaction to the human existence. Zelretch attempted to stop the All Evils of the World but he quickly got swallowed. The concentrated mass of all sins of Humanity proceeded to destroy our race and erase it from even existence.

    Of course it being Zelretch, the most broken magician: Killing him once doesn't keep him from being alive. His countless alternate selves visited every mayor dimension and called for heroes to help. Angra Mainyou did the same and using Zelretch's absorbbed powers it summoned villains from various parallel dimensions to bolster his ranks and foil Zelretch's plans.
    The battle for the entire multiverse's fate is now at the hands of our rag-tag team of heroes.
    Stay tuned!
    Last edited by willyvereb; March 23rd, 2011 at 09:43 PM.

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    If you guys plan on really making this, you're probably going to have to get in contact with Werk first...

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    I certainly agree to that. It's not like we're free to plagiarize someone else's game
    Just stated my idea on a sensible storyline.
    Oh well, I can always transform this into a fanfic though.

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    At first this was just a wild mass guess, IIRC. Though we should at least talk with Werk to check this, so maybe they feel like doing it, and even using some of our ideas.

    This afternoon I'll begin to put videos about how some combination attacks should be, and my own idea about the sequel (if it's a sequel we need Mike the cat as the super type character, and the sister of Takumi as the real type character.

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    IRUn i don't see Satsujinki on the list >=/

    Oh wait Satsujinki was playable in BMW 1

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    Quote Originally Posted by willyvereb View Post
    I certainly agree to that. It's not like we're free to plagiarize someone else's game
    Just stated my idea on a sensible storyline.
    Oh well, I can always transform this into a fanfic though.
    Well, they plagiarised TM's game, so...

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    I can't see Ado Edem on the list either...
    Or Elephants.
    Indeed, BMW 2 must have Elephants.
    Elephants vs Types!

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    Well, they plagiarised TM's game, so...
    That's a little different.
    BMW 2 is a spin-off inspired by the Nasuverse. While I know doujin games aren't officially allowed by law they're still a gray zone.
    Stealing both the base concept, mechanics AND the name of the game on the other hand...

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    Quote Originally Posted by willyvereb View Post
    Or Elephants.
    That's the most stup-

    Quote Originally Posted by willyvereb View Post
    Elephants vs Types!
    That's the most awesome idea ever!

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    We should add a Type-rush mode, where you fight against Type-Mercury, Type-Venus, Type-Moon, Type-Mars, Type-Jupiter, Type-Saturn, Type-Uranus, Type-Neptune an Type-Pluto, one by one per stage. They don't have to be ordered that way though.

    "YOUR BODY IS NOT PREPARED" Difficulty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erlkonig View Post
    We should add a Type-rush mode, where you fight against Type-Mercury, Type-Venus, Type-Moon, Type-Mars, Type-Jupiter, Type-Saturn, Type-Uranus, Type-Neptune an Type-Pluto, one by one per stage. They don't have to be ordered that way though.

    "YOUR BODY IS NOT PREPARED" Difficulty.
    More like, "THIS IS FUCKING BULLSHIT" difficulty.


    Also, if you do manage to start making BMW 2, I suggest you do something about the accuracy thing.
    I really hate it when I have 99% ACC, yet never I hit the enemy at all.
    But when the enemy has 20-25% ACC, they ALWAYS HIT.

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    Well, unless you are Ado Edem.
    Speaking of which he would have the most boring attacks:
    -Vertical slash: Ado Edem's blade extends to at least hundreds of meters and he swings it down on the enemy.
    -Horizontal slash: Edem extends his sword and then proceeds cleaving horitontally.
    ...how original.
    Well, maybe if we cross him over with Zengar Zonbolt...

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    Ado Edem would make the game too easy.

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    It would be the same for Gilgamesh or Arcueid...but there came the gameplay balance.

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    But there could be a 50+ level difference between Ado and his enemy and he'll still probably 1-hit them.

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    But you can add cool effects, and call them by flashy names, like:
    Slash Emperor ~ Spin: Ado Edem grabs Slash Emperor, and it extends to one and a half his size. He starts spinning it slowly, as gusts of wind are lifted from the ground. He levitates of the ground as the spinning double-bladed sword starts spinning fiercely, releasing bursts of energy. *Close-up of Ado Edem's upper body* He then rushes at the energy and tears him into pieces with numerous slashes.
    Slash Emperor ~ Typeslayer: Ado Edem levitates into the sky, and up where the clouds are, they are all blown away as Slash Emperor extends. Cue a camera change to the Earth's orbit, where part of Slash Emperor causes visible ripples on the outer atmosfere. Then it switches to Ado Edem holding the massive sword in his right hand like in that one concept art. He then swings it down. As the blade falls, it qucikly destroys everything in its way as it collides with the enemy/enemies, engulfing them in a flash of energy.

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    Seriously, Ado Edem revolutionalizes the term of Broken Sword.

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    That is true.
    So very true.

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    Ado Edem should be a temp for the first playthorugh, and you need to jump through a bunch of hoops to get him as a permanent party-member.

    Also, there will be a gameplay mode where you play as the Villains in their own independent campaign - no questions asked, this has already been decided.


    Edit: Mike the Cat as a Super is also a must.
    And UBW and Fate Shirou also have team attacks with their respective heroine. (Saber is still from the HF timeline, for storytelling elements)
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    About Ado, he would be something like the Ideon then. Too powerful, but if you use him too much, bye bye Gaia and hello either imposible battle against the Counter Force or Bad End by destroying Gaia. Even the infinite range map attack of the Ideon fits with the ideas you have said about Ado.

    Spoiler:
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    Rin: "I wanted Saber..."
    Archer: "What? But Archers are all insanely OP, it's like a rule or something, why would you think Sabers were better?"
    Rin: "Sabers are more molestable..."
    Quote Originally Posted by Vigilantia View Post
    AC!Rin. Fixing problems one moan at a time.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sage of Eyes View Post
    Denizens of another dimension, meet Rin Tohsaka, Tsundere of Mass Destruction
    Quote Originally Posted by Christemo View Post
    I dont even know what Lunatique is. I assume it's terrible for the sake of argument.

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