What if _________ was _________'s servant?

[Megas]

Basically, think of it like in Zelda.

Most people barely remember anything about the last Link except that he was "the hero who saved the world from evil"

Heck, I don't think any of them remember the names and stuff of the last hero.

[RoydGolden]

I mean, this doesn't sound too unlikely to me?

I imagine there are a ton of people who had large effects on their civilizations that are either completely forgotten or a barely a footnote.

This is somebody who literally saved all of humanity though.

If aliens invaded tomorrow and somebody flew into space and punched them into the sun, do you honestly think in ten years or so people would just shrug their shoulders and say "who?".

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Basically, think of it like in Zelda.

Most people barely remember anything about the last Link except that he was "the hero who saved the world from evil"

Heck, I don't think any of them remember the names and stuff of the last hero.

That's a medieval fantasy world though. The end of Gurren Lagann had a modern technological society; there's no reason their record-keeping abilities shouldn't be equal to our own.

[Megas]

This is somebody who literally saved all of humanity though. If aliens invaded tomorrow and somebody flew into space and punched them into the sun, do you honestly think people would just shrug their shoulders and say "who?".

Absolutely.

Like, people didn't even know why the beastmen were after them or why they lived underground and shit.

Huge transformations in civilizations can happen in fairly short amounts of time. Records and heroes can be lost and forgotton.

People are hugely more invested in their present situations than in what was done in the past.

Heck, I'd argue that's what the whole final scene was about. Simon basically saying "ya the next generation is going off to solve the problems of the new society, old warriors like me should just fade away into obscurity"

[RoydGolden]

Absolutely.

Like, people didn't even know why the beastmen were after them or why they lived underground and shit.

Huge transformations in civilizations can happen in fairly short amounts of time. Records and Heroes can be lost and forgotton.

Heck, I'd argue that's what the whole final scene was about. Simon basically saying "ya the next generation is going off to solve the problems of the new society, old warriors like me should just fade away into obscurity"

Well, I personally find it unbelievable.

I understand the thematic point of the final scene perfectly well, but the record-keeping of any society that could relegate the savior of mankind to a footnote is frankly appalling... (Not to mention, how are we supposed to feel confident humans won't make the same mistakes of overusing Spiral Power when they apparently can't keep even the most basic facts of their history straight? Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it, after all).

[Megas]

I mean, we're not supposed to feel confident.

That's why Gimmy or whatever his name was was heading off into space at the end to try and convince other spiral races to not do it as well. Eventually some other dumbass is probably also gonna think "wtf why aren't we using this infinite energy we have?"

Heck, in our current era of misinformation, I'm surprised that you're so reluctant to believe people can downplay the significance of or outright deny events that are objectively recorded.

[RoydGolden]

Heck, in our current era of misinformation, I'm surprised that you're so reluctant to believe people can downplay the significance of or outright deny events that are objectively recorded.

It's just the sheer scale of it that gets me. But whatever, there's not really a point continuing this conversation any longer. I respect you, and it's obvious we're just coming at this from very different assumptions.

[The Geek]

....I mean, wouldn't she just be a souped up Mordred?

Nah. Ryuko wants to find out who killed her dad. Mordred already knows who killed Artoria.

[Bird of Hermes]

It all started when Medea used up all of the hot water, and Rin's special shampoo too

Rin is FSN's residential disaster bi who is incredibly attracted to 90% of the women she's met, that would just be too much for her.

[MehKitteh]

It all started when Medea used up all of the hot water, and Rin's special shampoo too

That sounds like a lovey-hatey relationship fic. Les/10 would read.

[Look to the Left]

That sounds like a lovey-hatey relationship fic. Les/10 would read.

Me too.... Me to....

Also, what if Rin summons Bayonetta?

[Walnut Sparks]

She begins turning into Heroic Spirit TO-SAKA sooner rather than later?

[CritHit]

It's been a while since I saw that scene, but I'm pretty sure the kid didn't recognize Simon in his current appearance, not that he didn't know who Simon was at all.

Yeah, that's basically what it was. Simon was probably super famous, but that boy wasn't expecting the random old dude he met to be THE saviour of humanity.

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Also, without turning this into a GL thread, I'm simply going to say that I believe you have quite the odd view on the series, Megas.

[RoydGolden]

What if Rin summoned Glenn Radars (Akashic Records Of Bastard Magical Instructor) as an Assassin-Class Servant?

[bhl88]

He'd be peeping on Rin.

Command Spells don't affect the Fool Card, does it?

What if Shirou summons Kiyohime or Mashu.

I mean, this doesn't sound too unlikely to me?

I imagine there are a ton of people who had large effects on their civilizations that are either completely forgotten or a barely a footnote.

Are heroes supposed to be popular before they get conceptualized as Heroic Spirits? Or they have to tell the world: "I wish to save humanity"

[the god of world-0]

Fate would only have one route

[SleepMode]

What if Shirou summoned Arthur?

[SirGauoftheSquareTable]

What if Kayneth summoned Gilgamesh?

[Bugs]

Could Kayneth get over himself fast enough so Gil doesn't pincushion him?

[the god of world-0]

What if shirou summoned Ryuko matoi from kill la kill?

[RoydGolden]

What if shirou summoned Ryuko matoi from kill la kill?

Pretty sure I've proposed this a few times before. Ryuko as a Servant would probably be a lot like Mordred, only without the complex over her gender, so she wouldn't take Shirou's head off when he inevitably insists on calling her a girl. Ryuko would still probably be a little pissed off about his chivalry, though I imagine she'd soften up after learning about his past (presumably she'd sympathize with having lost everyone you cared about in a fire).

As a Servant, she'd probably do about as well as Arturia. Ryuko doesn't have anything as haxed as Avalon, so she'd have trouble beating Gil, but she does have regen and a far higher level of base firepower than most Servants.

Also, Rin would start blushing like crazy after seeing Ryuko's transformed "outfit" for the first time.