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    In my defense, there is no canon personality for Jeanne anyways, and I therefore claim that this is a totally legitimate interpretation in any case.

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    Perhaps, but I dunno. You imply there was a change in her personality, and we don't see much of it beyond that. That is like so much backstory potential right there.

    I mean, it works for the one-shot, it just nags at me and decreased my enjoyment of it overall.



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    Oh! No, well, Leo could maybe answer better (come on, you bastard) but I guess you could say the main thing with it is that Jeanne inherently isn't the pure pure girl she's supposed to be. I think she outright states that in the text, actually. That's literally it; no real backstory or character growth, just Jeanne herself hiding her desires while she was alive. Maybe kinda like how we know King Arthur as a man, but she's really a woman in canon, and so on, except this is with more hot sex.

    No backstory change; she just "is" the sexy Jeanne. Lancer kinda shows that in his perceptions vs. how Jeanne's thinking. Remember, that the story is told from the first person perspective of two fallible characters.
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    This was great. Really. You guys should do this more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Five_X View Post
    Oh! No, well, Leo could maybe answer better (come on, you bastard) but I guess you could say the main thing with it is that Jeanne inherently isn't the pure pure girl she's supposed to be. I think she outright states that in the text, actually. That's literally it; no real backstory or character growth, just Jeanne herself hiding her desires while she was alive. Maybe kinda like how we know King Arthur as a man, but she's really a woman in canon, and so on, except this is with more hot sex.
    Ahh, okay. I wasn't aware of that, so her character felt a tad jarring with how she was presented. Now that you've cleared it up, it makes way more sense. Thanks, Five!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Five_X View Post
    (come on, you bastard)
    noh

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeopardBear View Post
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    So what if I tell them abut that one lemon, where you-
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    Quote Originally Posted by RadiantBeam View Post
    Victory is mine.
    For now.

    Silliness aside, I think I now know what bothers me about this piece.

    I mean, on its own, it's a very lovely little thing. Like Hymn said, it's an extremely well written lemon and probably one of the best I've seen that involves Lancer, and it's always nice to see the guy get lucky every now and again when the 'verse seems so keen on kicking him. And, I mean, I liked how Jeanne was characterized. It was different, but interesting.

    But that's the thing, too. It's like, you've implied that Jeanne went through this major change or growth in character in the story itself, and you give very little reason beyond "lol school". Which, I mean, works, and I know this was only written as a one-shot. But it feels like you basically crammed in a whole back story/skimmed over a whole back story for Jeanne to justify her behavior in the one-shot.

    .... I guess what I mean is, um, more build-up and justification for the shift in Jeanne's character would have been enjoyable. It's a bit jarring to see her as a playful flirt and not understand why beyond the basic description.
    You do raise a good point, but like Leo said, Jeanne doesn't really have a canon personality. Besides being so noble that she smiles as she burns to death.

    If I have any complaints about the school issue, it's that it wasn't specific enough. Japanese school inspires lechery? A few mentions of giggling teenage girls, introducing Jeanne to the giant world of pornography, or Jeanne learning about the schoolgirl fetish a deliberately playing it up to tease Lancer and test his self-control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Five_X View Post
    So what if I tell them abut that one lemon, where you-
    Go on...

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    Annnnnnnd sniped.

    I did get that Jeanne was not a pure Holy Virgin, you say it outright. The school is blamed though, and I kinda feel like some explanation for Jeanne playing up her sex appeal would help.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hymn of Ragnarok
    I refuse to believe that any eroge scene with Taiga would not make allusions to her Christmas Cake status, and this being Nasu, include references to making a cake. Stirring the batter, whisking the eggs, swirl the mixture around....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hymn of Ragnarok View Post
    Annnnnnnd sniped.

    I did get that Jeanne was not a pure Holy Virgin, you say it outright. The school is blamed though, and I kinda feel like some explanation for Jeanne playing up her sex appeal would help.
    Yeah, this. I mean, I get that Jeanne apparently had a perverted streak, I just think the justification for it becoming more obvious was a little weak.



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    Actually, I was talking to Leo about how I kinda wanted to make this into a short series-ish kinda thing, centred on Jeanne entering school and being the lady at the church and then fucking Lancer's brains out as in the above lemon. It'd probably be made mostly up of random daily life snippets, rather than an ongoing set of chapters. Could make it easier that way, so I wouldn't have to split off my focus too much from MPII.

    Doing that, of course, could explain more of Jeanne's personality and her relationships with regular characters... and also allow for more Lancer action.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Five_X View Post
    Actually, I was talking to Leo about how I kinda wanted to make this into a short series-ish kinda thing, centred on Jeanne entering school and being the lady at the church and then fucking Lancer's brains out as in the above lemon. It'd probably be made mostly up of random daily life snippets, rather than an ongoing set of chapters. Could make it easier that way, so I wouldn't have to split off my focus too much from MPII.

    Doing that, of course, could explain more of Jeanne's personality and her relationships with regular characters... and also allow for more Lancer action.
    More Leo-chan lemons is a good thing, quite lovely too.

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    "From the words of a wise man: thou shall have lesyay, lemons, and laughter!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Five_X View Post
    Actually, I was talking to Leo about how I kinda wanted to make this into a short series-ish kinda thing, centred on Jeanne entering school and being the lady at the church and then fucking Lancer's brains out as in the above lemon. It'd probably be made mostly up of random daily life snippets, rather than an ongoing set of chapters. Could make it easier that way, so I wouldn't have to split off my focus too much from MPII.

    Doing that, of course, could explain more of Jeanne's personality and her relationships with regular characters... and also allow for more Lancer action.
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    Hmm...suggestion! Gilgamesh is looking forward to meeting and corrupting the Holy Virgin, much like he desires to break in Saber, only to find out that Jeanne's already corrupt. Cheated on his enjoyment, he leaves in a huff.

    Thus Jeanne is tolerated by Gilgamesh without him trying to make her his. Because I'd like these slice-of-life snippets.
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    The question is, is this canon Gil or Fem!Gil.



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    Quote Originally Posted by RadiantBeam View Post
    The question is, is this canon Gil or Fem!Gil.
    The "he" is thrown in, so canon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RadiantBeam View Post
    The question is, is this canon Gil or Fem!Gil.
    Canon Gil. Fem!Gil would probably try to find out if she can get Jeanne to forsake God and worship Fem!Gil instead. Manipulation, Fem!Gil loves it. Not that the two wouldn't be hot.

    Plus, better to limit the changes so people don't ask as many questions about the War.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hymn of Ragnarok
    I refuse to believe that any eroge scene with Taiga would not make allusions to her Christmas Cake status, and this being Nasu, include references to making a cake. Stirring the batter, whisking the eggs, swirl the mixture around....
    Quote Originally Posted by RadiantBeam
    ....

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    That's all, folks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RadiantBeam View Post
    Well, in all seriousness and George Takei aside, it was definitely quite hot. The Lancer/Jeanne pairing kind of makes me tilt my head a bit, admittedly, and well, the characterization of Jeanne felt... off, somehow. But the sex was definitely very enjoyable to read.
    I agree.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. House View Post
    The "he" is thrown in, so canon.
    Curses.



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