Kinoko Nasu's "Unique" style?

[mAc Chaos]

I think as far as magus struggles go you're supposed to treat Rin and Sakura like a complementary pair than separate. Although Sakura's treatment isn't really part of magus training so much as Zouken's plans.

[Hermitfold]

The thing that I found unique about Nasu is that esoteric, philosophical storytelling style of his. It's a unique way of looking at things that he inserts into the narrative, and into the plot. Personally, it's one of the things I like the most about Nasu's work.

[Mike1984]

Sometimes too much becomes silly. That's why Kohaku worked better than Sakura.

Well, the thing is, for Sakura that much was realistic. Zouken's aim was specifically to break her via torture, so it figures that he'd take it as far as possible. Conversely, Makihisa never specifically intended to "break" Kohaku, I believe, he just needed her to prevent himself turning into a demon.

I think as far as magus struggles go you're supposed to treat Rin and Sakura like a complementary pair than separate. Although Sakura's treatment isn't really part of magus training so much as Zouken's plans.

Well, in some ways, yes. They're two relatively similar people who have been put through almost diametrically opposite (but in both cases not great) upbringings. However, to compare Rin's suffering with Sakura's is ludicrous. Rin was far better off.

[I3uster]

Well, since most of my likes are already present in this thread (well-crafted characters, nice worldbuilding), I should probably add an opinion I am most likely alone with:

I like the infodumps.

...okay, okay, I should clarify. I know that this rapes the rules of what is generally accepted as "good writing" but still, the action scenes beome much more engaging with exposition establishing the parameters of what the fuck is happening first, and the sheer amount of what needs to be defined can't reasonably be woven into the narrative without looking silly.

It's kind of like explaining you the rules of chess and then showing you amazing plays within those established rules. A simple fight scene becomes more engaging when the framework is solid.

And this also makes it an ideal breeding ground for our steadily growing RP/FF sections.

[SeiKeo]

The RP section is steadily growing in the way that a cemetery grows: on a pile of bones.

[I3uster]

Hey, Lantz new RP drafted like what, 3-4 new players in?

[Altima of the Gates]

It's objectively a pretty bad delivery though, since he evidently can do better :V

He surely could do better, but I feel that way for more than just with Sakura(like he made a perfect setup with Caster and Sakura in Hollow to be a dynamic grouping that would add layers to both, or even better, show some of the secret training you hint that she undergoes, I'll never understand why he passes that up). But that isn't the point. I added how I felt about Rin and Saber to show that ultimately, literary critique is never objective in anything but prose and grammar imho. Just like how you feel about a guilty pleasure, in your mind you might feel a story/character is poorly done, but you can't stop watching it, so why do you think it is shit?

[I3uster]

Objective literary analysis is possible via comparison. It's not like there is a scale or index or something with which you can globally measure the quality of works against eachother, but this works quite well.

And this is all I'm going to say on that matter because jesus christ this thread barely has 50 posts and we already have a Sakura derail.

[Mike1984]

And this is all I'm going to say on that matter because jesus christ this thread barely has 50 posts and we already have a Sakura derail.

Oh, how awful, people are discussing Sakura in a way which is entirely on topic.

[Altima of the Gates]

Objective literary analysis is possible via comparison. It's not like there is a scale or index or something with which you can globally measure the quality of works against eachother, but this works quite well.

And this is all I'm going to say on that matter because jesus christ this thread barely has 50 posts and we already have a Sakura derail.

That is fine if you want to say that, but realize that the two things you are comparing are in fact very different in scope, background, motive, and characterization.

And really come on, I included my critique on other characters as well, it's hardly just about Sakura. *pout*

Oh, how awful, people are discussing Sakura in a way which is entirely on topic.

Now, now, don't get salty.

[Black Sword]

Mikey, you're doing that thing where you put the emphasis on the last word of your sentences like a fussy grandmother. That's a key warning tic for Sakura derails, so you can't blame him for being wary.

[Enhance]

And really come on, I included my critique on other characters as well, it's hardly just about Sakura. *pout*

Oh I'm sure you're not the reason he wanted to say that.

[Mike1984]

Mikey, you're doing that thing where you put the emphasis on the last word of your sentences like a fussy grandmother. That's a key warning tic for Sakura derails, so you can't blame him for being wary.

I don't fucking care. I'm bloody sick of people going "OMG, a Sakura derail, kill it with fire!" every time she's so much as mentioned.

[I3uster]

That is fine if you want to say that, but realize that the two things you are comparing are in fact very different in scope, background, motive, and characterization.

This doesn't stop the delivery from being incredibly poorly done though. Kohaku is just the closest example we saw of how he can do better, since Miss Nasu won't write multiple stories about people getting raped by sharp-toothed dickworms.

[Guy]

I like Nasu style of writing, yes it's not good writing, and has a lot of purple prose, but it works, especially in Fate, I mean to describe legendary heroes, I find purple prose appropriate.

[SeiKeo]

I mean, strictly speaking Buster and Altima were drifting, but it's in the same category, so seems good.

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This doesn't stop the delivery from being incredibly poorly done though. Kohaku is just the closest example we saw of how he can do better, since Miss Nasu won't write multiple stories about people getting raped by sharp-toothed dickworms.

Fujino.

[Enhance]

I like Nasu style of writing, yes it's not good writing, and has a lot of purple prose, but it works, especially in Fate, I mean to describe legendary heroes, I find purple prose appropriate.

Oh come on, really?

I define "Good writing" as the "Writing I like". I like his writing style - so it's good, as it has fulfilled its role.

[I3uster]

Well, Japanese writers apparently like their stuff more purple than we are used to.

Though even Nasu got chewed out by that critic for using absolutely nonsensical metaphors in his work lol.

[Mcjon01]

I mean, strictly speaking Buster and Altima were drifting

Not technically a derail.

[Black Sword]

I don't fucking care. I'm bloody sick of people going "OMG, a Sakura derail, kill it with fire!" every time she's so much as mentioned.

You have only yourself to blame for that.

Fujino.

That's standard gang rape, not worm rape or half-demon rape.