F/SN Complete Material 3 page translation, confirmation needed about 3rd Grail War

[Garlak]

Can somebody translate a page from Complete Material 3 for me?

More specifically -- supposedly, according to this page, there were Nazis involved in the 3rd Holy Grail War. Can anyone confirm/deny that?




Here are the translations of Complete Material 3 in actuality ---Petrikow

[Mike1984]

I believe that's true, yes. It's been translated before....

[Garlak]

I believe that's true, yes. It's been translated before....

I've seen some translations, and rumors, saying so. But I wasn't sure of how accurate/trustworthy they were. So I'm kinda wondering if somebody can confirm or deny it with more certainty.

[Seika]

Yeah, IJA and Nazis messing around in Tokyo and landmines in the streets. That's the Third for you.

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I'll have a shaky translation done in a bit, if no-one more competent butts in first. (Please butt in).

But if all you want is confirmation, look under the 1930s entry in the first column. It says 'ナチス' midway through the second line - that means Nazis, as I expect even Google Translate will tell you.

[Seika]

第二次世界大戦前夜に執り行われた回。
小聖杯を巡り帝国陸軍やナチスを交え、帝都を舞台に戦いが繰り広げられたが、小聖杯が破壊され 失敗。
聖杯降臨地は冬木協会。
アンリマユを取り込み、大聖杯が汚染された。

Took place on the eve of World War II.
The Imperial Army and Nazis clashed around the Lesser Grail. The battle was fought on Imperial turf, but the Lesser Grail was accidentally destroyed.
The Descent of the Holy Grail was at Fuyuki Church.
Angra Manyu was taken in, and the Greater Grail was polluted.

[ratstsrub]

Wasn't this already translated?

(Oh, so the original translation couldn't be found and it was quicker to do a rough translation?)

[Garlak]

Took place on the eve of World War II.
The Imperial Army and Nazis clashed around the Lesser Grail. The battle was fought on Imperial turf, but the Lesser Grail was accidentally destroyed.
The Descent of the Holy Grail was at Fuyuki Church.
Angra Manyu was taken in, and the Greater Grail was polluted.

Thank you for confirming it!

[Seika]

Wasn't this already translated?

(Oh, so the original translation couldn't be found and it was quicker to do a rough translation?)

Don't think so. People haven't really bothered with that page, because its overviews are so cursory. I actually think I'm the only one who's done it, and that was because I wanted to learn about the First and Second Wars, which get so little focus that even the scraps are useful. Then this came up to make me do the Third.

(Additionally, its brevity makes it easier for me and my appalling Japanese to handle, at least in some ways).

[Cruor]

arai translated it on the Complete Material wikia.

[Seika]

Hm. So he did. Go with that one, then.

Held on the eve of WWII. There were battles over the Lesser Grail with the Imperial Army and the Nazis as well, and the fighting unfolded in the Imperial Capital, but the Lesser Grail was destroyed and the ritual failed. The evocation site of the Grail was at Fuyuki Church. Angra Mainyu was taken in and the Greater Grail was contaminated.

[warellis]

Hm. So he did. Go with that one, then.

Held on the eve of WWII. There were battles over the Lesser Grail with the Imperial Army and the Nazis as well, and the fighting unfolded in the Imperial Capital, but the Lesser Grail was destroyed and the ritual failed. The evocation site of the Grail was at Fuyuki Church. Angra Mainyu was taken in and the Greater Grail was contaminated.

Wait does that mean the IJA and members of the Nazi party sent representatives to the Grail War? And is there any mention of what type of fighting unfolded in Tokyo?

[Seika]

That's all that's in the entry - I quoted the Japanese with my translation, you can see that it's very brief. From other stuff in HA, we know things like Masters employing landmines, but the nature of Hollow Ataraxia means we don't get all that much.

[aldeayeah]

If real world Nazis had been involved in the 3rd Holy Grail War, it would most probably have been the Ahnenerbe.

[Five_X]

I see what you did there.

[ZidanReign]

At least we know something we didn't know already

The Nazi's did it.

[aldeayeah]

If we're more realistic, of the known participants, the most likely to have been involved with Nazis would be the Edelfelts.

(The other chief candidate would be the Einzberns, but they're kinda reclusive)

[Mike1984]

If we're more realistic, of the known participants, the most likely to have been involved with Nazis would be the Edelfelts.

(The other chief candidate would be the Einzberns, but they're kinda reclusive)

Well, the Einsberns seem more likely than the Edelfelts to me, not least because they're actually German (although Finland was a Nazi ally, that was only really due to circumstance, and only came about when the Soviets started attacking them). Plus, the Edelfelts don't seem particularly evil.

[aldeayeah]

The thing with the Einzberns is that they hate asking for outside help. That's why I'm not having them as the main suspects. Nothing to do with their evilness.

The Finnish higher classes had already been allied with Imperial Germany in the 1917 Civil War (this wasn't Nazi Germany, of course).

[warellis]

Well, the Einsberns seem more likely than the Edelfelts to me, not least because they're actually German (although Finland was a Nazi ally, that was only really due to circumstance, and only came about when the Soviets started attacking them). Plus, the Edelfelts don't seem particularly evil.

However, Nazism was a workers' movement. Populist. Like communism it primarily relied on the masses and had little in common with the aristocracy. Also, like communism, it seeked to replace traditional focuses of loyalty. Hitler and many of the men who went into high positions under Nazism were primarily working-class individuals. I could see the Einzberns being Junkers under the German Empire, if they were Prussian, but Nazi Germany and Imperial Germany were very different. Hell under Nazi Germany they probably would've been persecuted due to being aristocracy. Yes the SS contained some people who were nobility and many nobles did join, but it was primarily a lower-class movement. This TV Tropes page says it better.

Aldeayeah: Considering the Edelfelts are also nobility, what reason would they ally themselves with a movement that was primarily lower-class in origin and drive?

[aldeayeah]

Pretty much all established magi families are elitist aristocrats, so by that logic no regular Master would have sought Nazi help. Yet someone did.