Random Thoughts Thread

[Draconic]

Umm...

Goddammit Zurvan...???

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Or somesuch?

[mAc Chaos]

i write gud with my brans

[Zurvan]

Ai 2 em vherry smurt

[Draconic]

i write gud with my brans

With the power of their MINDS?!

Or wait, do you refer to breakfast cereals?

[Arashi_Leonhart]

Amaki Sally cusses and the crowd goes wild this time with video

[Historia]

oh, shit

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wait, arashi, which idol are you

[Prix with a Silent X]

So, basically, what you're really doing here is being pretentious, while passive-aggressively insulting anyone who took pride in writing decent, non-pornographic fanfiction for a reason you won't even say.

-_-#

That isn't what he said at all. Let us break this down: Dullahan is referring to the fact that fanfiction and similar creative endeavors that utilize an official canon work as a base are referred to as "transformative works" in more technical contexts when they're being discussed for their legal defense and so on. AO3 is run by the OTW, or the Organization for Transformative Works, which is a non-profit which involves some lawyers and stuff who try to keep fanfiction and the like from becoming illegal to produce, curate, distribute, etc. I don't know if it's true that the difference between "transformative" fandom and "curative" fandom originates on reddit (given the existence of the OTW), but he probably did more research than I did. I do know the post he's referring to, though.

Transformative fandom as a concept: Takes a base canon work and "transforms" it into something else. That is, you take clips from the original show and set them to music in a different order in order to point out an interpretation of the medium or whatever in a fanvid. You write a story that uses the same characters and concepts but in a different genre. You write a canon divergent AU. You write these characters but IN SPACE. You draw them engaging in sexual acts canon would never dream of addressing... And so on.

Curative fandom as a concept: Attempts to collect and adequately display and "curate" every element of a canon. The knee-jerk response in the Questions thread where people don't address newbies' questions sometimes because they want them to read the OP or Seika's doc before formulating a question is because people who've been in TM fandom on BL for a while are comfortable that the answers to certain questions have already been curated adequately if someone just puts in the time to read rather than ask. It's like telling someone to look it up in the dictionary. The concept of curative fandom is the idea of understanding every detail of the Official Stance on something -- power levels, blood types, measurements, every word of canon, every word of canon's bearing on every other word. It does not look to interpretive thought as meaningful unless it takes into account the full scope of all of canon as it has been understood and curated by said curative fandom. Obsessive wiki compilers who don't just headcanon in the gaps like the TM wiki would be another good example of so-called curative fans.

The idea proposed back when was that Transformative Fandom is heavily female in its demographic and lives in places like tumblr and AO3. Curative Fandom is heavily male in its demographic and lives on wikis and reddit and forums. The idea is that the two don't tend to like each other, because Transformative fans would tend to think that Curative fans refuse to be critical and, in fact, have any fun in the thing they're obsessing over. Like, what is the point if you're not using your imagination and attaching emotional significance to the thing you're obsessing over. Curative fans would tend to think that all Transformative fans are completely ignoring canon in favor of porn, shipping, coffee shop aus, and cute, meaningless fanart that has absolutely nothing to do with the hard work that the source material probably has put into a foundation and groundwork with which to enjoy the canon material.

However, Dullahan was saying that he thinks that there is a "moment of the opposite" in each "side" of the argument. I am not entirely sure what he meant, but he is almost certainly saying said dichotomy doesn't exist in as pure a form as some would like to think. If I were to try to imagine: I guess curative fans are being transformative when they participate in fact-based, power-level-wank 'who would win' games. I guess transformative fans are being curative when they are meticulously transferring the spirit of the canon 'powers' a person has into a new, alternative setting or whatever. These might not be perfect examples or interpretations, but I tried.

The "straightjacket" is the idea that one has to choose because otherwise you are left with only being able to write porn on either side because some of y'all are like "KnK is so perfect there's no room for fanfiction ever because it's a closed loop and there's no point," and the solution is porn alone and some of y'all are like "I don't care about power levels, I care about Shirou cooking for an entire series, and..." oh wait. Dullahan was suggesting that complex fanfiction is possible but that this dichotomy prohibits people who prefer Canon is Sacred or Canon is Suggestion sides of things from moving as freely as they might otherwise.

I think. Dullahan can correct me if he wants.

[SeiKeo]

Straitjackets, now,

[Gl❀w]

straitjackets? in my fanfiction? it's more likely than you think!

[Prix with a Silent X]

Straightjackets seem inconvenient for porn. Never did understand vacuum beds...

[Gl❀w]

no KiNK-shaming

[Prix with a Silent X]

Well Shiki was put into a straightjacket when SHIKI was killed which some find tragic.

[Zurvan]

And here I thought you couldn't make porn boring

[Gl❀w]

so you didnt read fsn, then

[Zurvan]

If you're reading fsn for the porn, you're doing something very wrong

happy (future?) birthday btw

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I recommend skipping through

[Gl❀w]

thanks its the one day i can shamelessly exploit the social contract

[Mujaya]

I don't get the fascination with Sally Amaki beyond her origins.

[Raylen Cypher]

Idolism at its fullest effect.

[Zurvan]

I never got idolism

[Arashi_Leonhart]

It's actually a fascination with everything-but-idolism since when she's speaking English she behaves directly opposite of how idols are trained and carefully micromanaged to