She's a freak, you know. Also a natural multiple existence.Originally Posted by Lycodrake
Now, seriously: Kindly stop harping the point. It's been fuck-if-I-remember how many chapters. You object to the very premise of the fic. Why are you still reading it, then? Just stop reading this and stop pissing other people off by pushing your viewpoint the way Mike does.
Last edited by Kyte; May 19th, 2012 at 05:14 PM.
lolwhat, when did Shiki have anything to do with this, even as an analogy.
Lyco take this to pms you're clogging up the thread. And why the heck are you even here? You've made it clear multiple times that you don't like this story so either keep quiet or get out.
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Not acknowledging the parallel? Or just trying to shut me up because you dislike what I'm saying?
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Not really no, but then again I lost track of what you were arguing for a bit ago, do you have a short version?
The latter. I don't give a fuck if it's correct or not, I just want you to shut up.
Others are trying to say that, because "Kirika" was dominant, Shirou getting effectively killed is justifiable, since he "had no personality (which I disagree with, strongly)", was "merely and irritation and nuisance", a "contradiction", and a few others things.
However, my point with bringing up R.Shiki is that SHIKI was stronger, more combat-oriented, and *meant*, or at least intended, to be in control.
There are parallels that I would think are obvious, but might need further explanation.
@Kyte: I was giving this fic a chance.
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Well, let's see here. SHIKI: stronger - not really, depending on definition. 'Meant' to be in control, fairly strongly false, he's only intended purpose is to be in control during combat. Yeaaah.
Fair enough, then.
I'm still at a loss as to why people find killing off what was left of Shirou is justifiable.
Accepting a part of yourself that exists but unnerves you...I thought *that* was a step to maturity? Not doing all you can to destroy it, merely because it's convenient.
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Regarding this new Kirika, does she still have the ideals she inherited from Kiritsugu?
No, because Shirou turned into Kirika a long time ago. There is no Shirou any more, just Kirika. All Kirika is doing is getting rid of the thought that Shirou is her "true self".
No, because they're not in any way the same. SHIKI is an alternate personality inside the same body as Shiki, Shirou is merely a part of Kirika's psyche. It's no more "wrong" for Kirika to discard her than it is wrong for Shirou to turn Sakura back to normal at the end of HF.
Anyway, that was an interesting chapter, and Kirika was awesome. Plus, it's nice to see that Sakura and Rin's relationship seems to be about to be mended. Although, I wasn't clear where Sakura and Ilya (and possibly also Rin) went, since Rider picked them up, and then the next thing we saw she was running into Kirika....
Actually, from how I saw it, it's the other way around.
She's not rejecting 'Shirou'; she's accepting she's 'Kirika', and someone who is different from 'Shirou'.
EDIT: Well, fraggle and Mike said it better.
Last edited by KAIZA; May 19th, 2012 at 05:52 PM.
By bawwing every time this topic was brought up? You have a problem with the fundamental building block of the fic. If you "want to give it a chance", then you'll shut up and read, because you already decided to ignore your personal opposition to the fundamental premise. The fact you haven't means you don't really "want to give it a chance", you just want to keep complaining about it.
Because it's a leftover. A shade. Shirou proper was already dead. She was just afraid of accepting her new identity.
Also sniped by Mike.
Last edited by Kyte; May 19th, 2012 at 05:53 PM.
@Lyco - I thought I made it clear that this was going to be a Fem! Shirou story from the beginning? Did you miss this fact despite the last 20+ chapters that I've built upon the idea? I wrote this story with yuri, FOR the yuri. You can hardly expect me to do an about face turn now to turn Kirika back into Shirou.
She holds to the core of those ideals, which is that side of justice should win, but she isn't so single-minded about it... That doesn't sound right does it? I'm not sure how to express the difference right now, and will probably build upon it in later chapters.
One of the parts I had to cut out. Just couldn't fit that in without ruining the flow. Since it just involved Rider taking Sakura and Ilya and dropping them a fair distance away I thought I should just skip it and go straight to the next plot-relevant scene. Rin on the other hand was unconscious for this whole last part, as was Saber, which is why they had no scenes at all.Although, I wasn't clear where Sakura and Ilya (and possibly also Rin) went, since Rider picked them up, and then the next thing we saw she was running into Kirika....
Last edited by Alyeris; May 19th, 2012 at 05:55 PM.
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If you care for someone, you should always be prepared to tell them when they are wrong.
Not sure if you're being serious, Mike..."Kirika" isn't the real self, either, unless "real self" suddenly means the one in control and dominant.
And there definitely was some of Shirou left, or did you miss the part where he was chained up, imprisoned, and being wiped away slowly and painfully?
She's in denial, though. She's denying her past, to the point of killing it off.
@Alyeris: I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that you wouldn't just kill off what was left. Apparently I was wrong.
And if that's your motivation for writing this, then I sorely overestimated you. Apologies if that sounds antagonistic; it isn't intended that way.
Last edited by Lycodrake; May 19th, 2012 at 05:54 PM.
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Liar. You've been antagonistic the entire time. Also you're insulting here. Alyeris had made the point of this fic very clear. You just refused to accept it in favor of more bawwing.
Something similar to was Shirou had to go in FSN. Accept the fact that she can't just follow blindly and some concessions have to be made?
Could you point me to that, Lyco? I don't remember (then again, it's been some time since I read the previous chapters).
She's not in denial. She acknowledges she was Emiya Shirou in the past, but that she is Emiya Kirika now.
Ah, OK. That does make sense, I guess (although I'm not sure how Ilya got back...).
Yes, she is, just like someone is still their "real self" after they have a sex change or psychological therapy. Kirika used to be Shirou, but she changed into Kirika, and that is who she is now.
And, did you miss the part where that was a metaphor, not reality...?And there definitely was some of Shirou left, or did you miss the part where he was chained up, imprisoned, and being wiped away slowly and painfully?
No, she's not. She's just accepting that it's her past, not her present or future....She's in denial, though. She's denying her past, to the point of killing it off.
I think it was in late in chapter 4, or early in chapter 5.
If that's true, then why did she throw away her past? Is "Kirika" going to lie to everyone around her, now, about her past, because she can no longer remember it, or denies it?She's not in denial. She acknowledges she was Emiya Shirou in the past, but that she is Emiya Kirika now.
So only the present matters, nothing of the past? That isn't healthy at all.
Last edited by Lycodrake; May 19th, 2012 at 06:03 PM.
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I got the impression that she doesn't really talk about the time before she was Kirika, even to Rin. Lying isn't needed when the subject never comes up.
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