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    ...Huh. Andersen has Innocent Monster rank D because his record is tainted by all of the fairy tale connections?

    -peering at the sumisora matrices on page 1-

    (Almost thought it said High-Speed Divine Words rank E as well, but not sure)

    Also, thank you for the lovely summaries, Reiu! They're really interesting.
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    So the whole using an NP to reclaim his objects... I guess that answers the debate there was in the Questions thread ages ago about what would happen if Lancer or Saber or some other Servant tossed their weapon and dematerialized; would it come back to them again, could they summon it to themselves the way Gilgamesh seems to? Apparently only Gilgamesh can do that.

    Unless they can do it anyway and he uses the NP just for the hell of it.
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    im pretty sure Cu does that after using Death Flight, doesnt he?

    i thnk the specific NP for it is just to have him beeing bale to get them back during life too, because some people (including me) argued he wouldnt swordspam in lifetime like he does as servant because the weapons wouldnt come back to him automatically then.
    maybe Nasu read someone discussing that and crammed this NP in to ascertain he would spam just the same when alive.
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    > im pretty sure Cu does that after using Death Flight, doesnt he?

    See, that came up during that debate too. In the text, it is never mentioned whether he does that, or just leaves it there and sits down, or goes and picks it up later, or what.

    The assumption before always was that he could call it back to him... otherwise he would be fucked.

    Then AGAIN: things like Excalibur and Gae Bolg are the Hero's NPs, so maybe if it's their own NP, they can summon it as they please. But the items fired from GoB are not, strictly speaking, Gilgamesh's NPs. It's the Gate itself that's the NP. So then maybe that is why he needs a separate NP to call them back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Petrikow View Post
    Nasu likes Narita so I guess it makes sense he'd officially adopt some of his ideas.
    Actually I seem to remember it being that Narita consulted with Nasu on Enkidu when writing SF.

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    Supplement to food's partial translation/summary on the Enuma Elish keyword:




    (Gilgamesh's lines when you activate the NP, followed by 「死して拝せよ!
    エヌマ・エリシュ
    天地乖離す開闢の星
    !!」)

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    Another tidbit: the key-sword thing is actually Bab-ilu.
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    Quote Originally Posted by food View Post
    Enuma Elish

    -The genesis of a planet is in the domain of gods. Ea's ability to rend the world and revert it to a primordial state makes its power pseudo-divine. (Sounds familiar? This is where Archetype's Regression to the Age of Gods goes back to).
    -It's true power is not meant to be used against one individual, but the World itself.
    -Apparently it does not just produce pseudo-fissures in space time, but it outright influences the flow of space-time and distorts space.
    So yeah. This isn't just RM only is it.

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    Apparently not.

    Anti-World literally means Anti-World.

    Surprise surprise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reiu View Post
    • was a product of Gaia's Counter Force
    • "a body, by mortal standards, of the highest grade.


    • the gods had created him in an effort to maintain their hold over humanity


    • "I was born as a guardian of humanity. It is the duty of the king to lay the foundations for the
      future
      civilization
      of this planet.”


    +blonde hair
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    fuck
    He's a goddamn True Ancestor. That was supposed to be a joke, Nasu!

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    Ea is actually Real World.

    Discuss.

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    ...Wow. Thank you all and specifically those who put in the Gilgamesh translations.

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    Prologue said, no matter how hard the planet tried, a King wasn't born.

    Clearly it was wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcjon01 View Post
    +blonde hair
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    fuck
    He's a goddamn True Ancestor. That was supposed to be a joke, Nasu!
    But True Ancestors are immortal.
    The priest was waiting for the arrival of the princess, who was only an enemy of all of them.
    For the priest, the golden princess was the one and only main heroine.
    Everyone else was unworthy of his respect, no matter how strong they were.

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    Okay, 2/3 then. Pobody's nerfect.

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    It'd be hilarious if Gil is actually the third brunestud sibling.

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    I have an issue. Reiu said that Enkidu's death differs significantly from Fate/zero. Only problem with that is...

    – Once upon a time, there was a man.He was a foolish and ridiculous fellow whom, despite having a body made of mud and soil, set his heart to stand shoulder to shoulder with gods.
    Of course, his hubris and disrespectful arrogance offended the gods in heaven. The man suffered divine retribution and lost his life.
    Even to this day, the King of Heroes still couldn’t forget the way that he passed away with tears streaming down his face.
    Why are you crying? The King of Heroes had asked. Could it be that, only now, you are regretting having taken my side?
    It’s not that –
    He had answered.
    “Who would understand you after I die? Who else would march forward by your side? My friend… when I think that you will live on all alone henceforth, I can’t help but shed tears…”
    Like so, when he saw that man taking his last breath, the incomparable king realized – the way that this man, who was human but wanted to surpass humanity, had lived, was even more precious and more brilliant than all the treasures he had collected.
    “You fool who stretch your hand towards realms not of men… There is only one person in heaven or earth who’s worthy of appreciating your destruction, and that is none other than I, Gilgamesh.
    Sink into my embrace, oh you glorious and illusionary men. That is my decision.”
    The golden majestic brilliance disappeared in the night mist, leaving only an evil laughter echoing long after.





    IT DOESN'T SAY HOW HE DIED. It just said "divine retribution". There is no scene where Enkidu dies, just a few words. You can make up any scene and it would still be in keeping with F/z.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TypeWannabe View Post
    IT DOESN'T SAY HOW HE DIED. It just said "divine retribution". There is no scene where Enkidu dies, just a few words. You can make up any scene and it would still be in keeping with F/z.
    Wut. You quoted a scene where he died and Gil talked with him. CCC presumably contains a scene where he dies and it's substantially different in content or tone. I have no clue how you decide it's impossible to have something which wouldn't reconcile with that, or even which is just very different.
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    Not really thinking about this that much and there probably are a few things that could be worded way better, but here's info on the first keyword of BB and her setting information.

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    Keyword 01

    Cursed Cutting Crater.
    An attack on the world by BB in control of the mooncell.
    Also called the spirit particle imaginary pit.

    A world purge by means of event rewriting, making maximum use of the EX skill “Potnia Theron” BB had acquired.

    The goddess who is the mother of the earth goddesses who created the earth is, in other words, the “root” that created all creation.

    This Noble Phantasm is an anti-world Noble Phantasm that outputs information like an ultra-precise 3d printer and crushes the present world with the world desired by the user.

    The space eroded by BB becomes imaginary space and a curse that consumes reality. CCC as the name suggests is a cursed pit that bores out reality.

    In addition to scattering all objects inside on an atomic level and reconstructing them, it is capable of writing over and rewriting information of fields such as luck and coincidence.
    While theoretical, it is also thought possible to distort the time axis by interfering with gravity fields and rewrite the law of cause and effect. .

    *

    When used in combat, BB’s familiars, the shapeshifters engulf the target, and after turning into a sphere, is wiped out of existence along with the target and the dimension with it.


    Normally, a structure in which value can be shared cannot be constructed in the far side of the world, which is imaginary space. What established BB’s internal world as the Sakura labyrinth was the power of this noble phantasm.


    Skill

    03 Potnia Theron

    The authority of the goddesses whom BB compiled and absorbed from the abyss of the mooncell.

    What it is is the embodiment of the power of creation possessed by the mother goddesses, originating from a forgotten goddess approximately 8000 years ago (the goddess of Çatalhöyük), and branching to Tiamat and Cybele, Ishtar, Inanna, Athena, Astarte, Gaia, Hera, Artemis, Aphrodite, Demeter, Athena, etc.

    Many are imaged with mural crowns. This is because many of the goddesses were also the guardian deities of cities.

    *

    The symbols of this authority are the holes opening in the earth and the sky (caves and the moon), the whirlpools and typhoons of the sea, the craters of volcanos, and so on, and from these, evils bringing forth all manners of death are birthed.

    But once these evils have finished spreading death, they leave the promise of good harvest and fertility. This authority is none other than the power of bringing death as well as giving life.

    The earth mother is a guardian deity revered by the people and their protector, and at the same time she is the sacrifice that feeds them with the crops born from her body and the beasts of the fields and the forests.

    The earth mother feeds man with her blood and flesh, kills man over time and absorbs him as nutrition, and once again feeds man with her replenished blood and flesh.

    This process is the circle of the food chain, and the cycle of life and death can be said to be the true nature of the earth mother. With this authority, most of the goddesses gave birth to countless monsters and giants and posed a threat to the gods and man, or they gave birth to heroes and became protectors of man.

    Tiamat and Gaia are examples of those who became threats, and Hera is an example of a mother of heroes.

    *

    Those born on this earth cannot defy the authority of the earth mother, as that would mean rebelling against the system of life itself.

    However, it is when they have left this earth to go into outer space and ended the infantile stage of intelligent lifeforms that they should no longer be bound to this authority..

    The wish of Çatalhöyük is the coming of that day.


    Setting

    01 Cursed Cutting Crater.

    The official name of this stage.
    The fact that BB had reached the mooncell core established this “place”, formerly imaginary space for storing malicious information, as real space in the present, past, and future. It was reconstructed at her hands as a “far side of the moon” where even Masters can exist.

    BB attaining the power of the primordial goddess succeeded in quantifying the “nothingness” before the birth of life. She transformed into a master of imaginary space where time and space are indefinite.

    While the mooncell can’t be hacked however much time is spent, BB was able to take control of it by placing herself in “unlimited time”.


    02 The remnants of peaceful days
    After the constraints to her free will were removed by Kiara, she was unable to control her status abnormality and went into overload.

    As NPCs can only do routine work, they ignored Sakura while she was crashing down as being “non-existent”, and since the mooncell only performs a check at the end of the day in the preliminaries, Sakura was within an inch of termination.

    (MC name) witnessing this called to her. Are you okay, he/she said.

    The observation of Sakura “being here” by a third party helped her recover her close to disappearing unconscious, and the subsequent nursing gave her a clear ego of “wanting to be here”. Her self-destruction was averted.

    *

    What happened afterwards need not be said.
    When the next day comes, everything will be erased by the mooncell. Sakura wanting to continue this one day miracle used her higher class AI privilege to repeat the day she came to know the MC for 69 days.


    However as time passed, Sakura came to suffer from her self-contradiction as an AI and from the fact that she dragged (MC name) into this.

    “The Masters participating in the holy grail war will all die, barring one exception. No, even then (MC name)…..”

    Sakura continued to suffer from her desire to continue the loop for eternity and her feelings for (MC name)
    The decision she chose ultimately was to seal the 69 days worth of memory, the love she acquired, so she could return to being a normal AI.

    An AI cannot delete records.
    Because of that, she moved the memory to a backup machine to reset herself.

    Believing that to be the best choice for (MC name).

    *

    But even if the memories in the mind are lost, the memories recorded by the body continue to live. Though she had forgotten everything and was back to being a normal AI, she was shaken by emotional values of unknown origin every time she talked with the MC.

    Meanwhile, the backup to which she moved her memory, couldn’t tolerate herself, and she decided her course of action and made her move as BB, the rebel plotting to destroy the system of the mooncell for a certain objective.

    The timing she took control of the far side of the moon was between the end of the fifth round and the beginning of the sixth in real time. Four Masters who were not defeated yet, (MC name), Leo, Rin, and Rani, and the irregular exception Jinako were kidnapped to the far side during the war while they were still alive.

    Matou Shinji, Gato, Julius were moved to imaginary space 0.00001 seconds before the firewall would have destroyed them after they were defeated, prolonging their flash of life.


    Regardless, CCC is a dream by BB.
    If the dreamer is no more, the world ought to return to a reality where nothing happened.

    *

    By the way, the everyday scenery in the prologue that (MC name) saw in his nightmare was an artificial paradise modeled off the discarded 69 days.

    After pulling (MC name) to the near side, BB placed his digital body in the old school building, putting into a deep sleep and sealing him in a never ending dream.

    Normally, he would have lived peacefully in the looping everyday life, but the strength of his bond with his Servant, or his own will rejecting the peaceful days caused cracks in the artificial garden and (MC name) came to notice something was not right.

    In order to place (MC name) into deep slumber once more, BB reset the school building and tried to redo the dream, but the (MC name) escaped the reset and leaped into a deeper part of imaginary space

    It was a depth deeper than the bottom of Id.
    “The death of the collective unconscious” beneath the unconscious.
    What saved (MC name) who leaped into a region even BB cannot affect was the voice of the Servant whose fate was shared with his.

    Thus, the contract was sealed, and (MC name) woke up in the old school building left in the far side.



    So yeah.
    Spoiler:
    BB has Root hax.


    Edit: Adding Potnia Theron since that looks kind of significant as world info
    Last edited by peanuts; April 6th, 2013 at 11:04 PM.

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