Fate/strange fake (Free-Range Spoilers)

[Iceblade44]

Also as for the critique on her justifiable one note personality, remember one of the other characters entire motivation is to have her fall in despair and one of her grandmaster which she treats so highly was summoned to this HGW she hates. I can definetly see more down the tunnel for her yet, she hasn't even gotten to the fun parts yet

[Half-Blood Master]

I like Alcides but I don't like the direction Narita is taking for most of his characters. They're just way too over the top even for Fate standard and most of the reasoning for their skillsets are straw-grasping level of justification.

Actually, this is the reason I hate Alcides.
I am usually very flexible about overpowering your characters, as long as they and the story still work, and support Awesome Dear Boy (excuse my Tropese) as a motivation for writing (or for anything really). I acknowledge most characters in FSF are barely hanging by very thin threads, but that doesn't keep me from enjoying the story. And yet, to me Alcides stands out as TOO MUCH.
Perhaps it's because he reminds me of each and every OP and godmodding edgelord OC I have had the disgrace of meeting in my RP experiences or the dark moments during which I fell into that kind of behaviour , or because he keeps fucking with the characters and plotlines I am truly invested in; but whenever he's "on screen" (On page? Is that a thing?) I stop enjoying the story fully and find myself waiting for him to leave the scene so that the "fun" can come back (which is admittedly a bad reading habit). He manages to hit all my wrong buttons, to the point I don't merely hate him as you'd hate a character which is written with the intention to make the Reader emotionally invested in their actions and fate in-story: I want him to just plain dissapear from it which could be interpreted as emotional investment.
But at the end of the day, he's just one pretty damn important piece of a story that has already got me hooked, so I don't mind having to put up with him if it means I get to see where the hell this mess ends up going.

[Iceblade44]

She’s also been shown to have a critical misunderstanding of at least one Hassan’s Zabaniyas. At least she wasn’t able to take Hundred Face’s.

Yeah but when she has others which she's better at, that I dislike. Everything else is fine, just that part.

[You]

still Zealot won't be a Hassan and her Zabaniyas are all fake.

But there's no rule that says fakes cannot surpass the original

[AmADo VII]

Yeah but when she has others which she's better at, that I dislike. Everything else is fine, just that part.

at least Zealot never said she's better than any of Hassan.

[Base]

Yeah but when she has others which she's better at, that I dislike. Everything else is fine, just that part.

Actually it just says she improved upon it, and since her general tactic is to attack head on, that could imply that her improvements may only effective for head on assaults and not general assassination.

In other words, it’s like how Beowulf grudgingly admits that EMIYA uses Hrunting in a more effective manner. It wouldn’t work for Beowulf since he’s neither an Archer nor able to recreate Hrunting, but it’s suitable for EMIYA’s style of fighting.

[Rafflesiac]

remember one of the other characters entire motivation is to have her fall in despair

Okay but if you hate NTR Master Jester you're literally inhuman.

[Iceblade44]

at least Zealot never said she's better than any of Hassan.

No but her opinion is irrelevant to it since she has terrible self-awareness and to much blind bias. It fits, she's a Zealot. It doesn't make it better that it is the truth about her abilties.

Oh yeah also this talk about Zealot made me notice something between her and Shadow-latern. So far Zealot's hunt on heretics are only on basically standby mages. She kills them if they admit to having a connection to the War but ultimately what that's actually doing to stop it and destroy the War is basically nothing, no effect what so ever. Not looking at the bigger picture. What Shadow-Lantern does? Go on a murder spree on corrupt politicians and crime bosses. Basically same action but way larger impact as that's directly effecting the gears of society. It just makes me realize how Zealot really is naive compared to Shadow-Lantern whose bringing in results. Of course this isn't a critique on her, I like her naivety and innocence. It's just something I noticed.

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Okay but if you hate NTR Master Jester you're literally inhuman.

Jesters great. Really looking foward to see where this goes to.

[Base]

No but her opinion is irrelevant to it since she has terrible self-awareness and to much blind bias. It fits, she's a Zealot. It doesn't make it better that it is the truth about her abilties.

Oh yeah also thia talk about Zealot made me notice something between her and Shadow-latern. So far Zealot's hunt on heretics are only on basically standby mages. She kills them if they admit to having a connection to the War but ultimately what that's actually doing to stop it and destroy the War is basically nothing, no effect what so ever. Not looking at the bigger picture. What Shadow-Lantern does? Go on a murder spree on corrupt politicians and crime bosses. Basically same action but way larger impact as that's directly effecting the gears of society. It just makes me realize how Zealot really is naive compared to Shadow-Lantern whose bringing in results. Of course this isn't a critique on her, I like her naivety and innocence. It's just something I noticed.

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Jesters great. Really looking foward to see where this goes to.

You can really see just why the Hassans chose Hundred Face over her. At least Hundred Face had the necessary understanding of the world and actual understanding of tactics and what assassination entails to actually be an effective leader for assassins.

[Iceblade44]

Actually it just says she improved upon it, and since her general tactic is to attack head on, that could imply that her improvements may only effective for head on assaults and not general assassination.

In other words, it’s like how Beowulf grudgingly admits that EMIYA uses Hrunting in a more effective manner. It wouldn’t work for Beowulf since he’s neither an Archer nor able to recreate Hrunting, but it’s suitable for EMIYA’s style of fighting.

The way it said she improved it was by changing it from an AoE sound damage to a single target stun for Servant's(and mind control for a human after checking to wiki but I have to source that) if I remember right. That is basically counter to her adapting to general combat

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You can really see just why the Hassans chose Hundred Face over her. At least Hundred Face had the necessary understanding of the world and actual understanding of tactics and what assassination entails to actually be an effective leader for assassins.

Ironic that HF was still the last hassan tho.

[Base]

The way it said she improved it was by changing it from an AoE sound damage to a single target stun for Servant's(and mind control for a human after checking to wiki but I have to source that) if I remember right. That is basically counter to her adapting to general combat

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Ironic that HF was still the last hassan tho.

Not if you consider that it originally could be used to take out an entire group such as the leaders of the enemy. Now, it can stop Servant’s from attacking her which gives her more room to move in a fight.

I think HF was just the last one to be recorded as a Heroic Spirit Candidate.

[castor212]

I just like Narita's writing

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zealot and lantern

Yea same

Good to see pure zealot is shown to be notgood at leadership

[GundamFSN]

I still remember when everyone in the thread was trying to guess who Alkeides was.

Don't remember the reaction when we did find out who he was though.

I think it was

ARCHER HERK YASSS

But then we found out he's Avenger modded and we went NASUUUUU/NARITAAAAAAA. The hype didn't last very long honestly.

Hopefully Buzzcola dies soon for his sin.

Reincarnation Pandora has two implications from the name alone. The first is that Pandora opened the box that unleashed All the World’s Evils and since Herc was bathed in Grail Mud, that makes sense if it’s a side effect of being truly corrupted unlike in HF where Mad Enhancement and God’s Hand interfered with the process.

So if we follow the logic that it comes from All the World’s Evils, Reincarnation implies that it’s more of a rebirth or self-modification that creates a new being by taking aspects from other beings. In other words, Reincarnation Pandora can steal Conceptual NPs like From Hell because they’re Labours of the Body and Herc is one who is most famous for taking Labours.

This means that Reincarnation Pandora is likely focused exclusively on Conceptual NPs and Weapon or Technique NPs are most likely not under its purview. Does that make any sense?

I can get behind this reasoning.

[AmADo VII]

I think it was

ARCHER HERK YASSS

But then we found out he's Avenger modded and we went NASUUUUU/NARITAAAAAAA. The hype didn't last very long honestly.

Hopefully Buzzcola dies soon for his sin.

because Narita wants Kinoko to write stuff about sane Herk.

[asterism42]

I think Reincarnation Pandora is a C O N C E P T based on the fact that a few of the 12 Labors involved Herc stealing someone else's shit.

That's a pretty weak justification tho, and it's still kind of a crappy ability.

[pinetree]

still Zealot won't be a Hassan and her Zabaniyas are all fake.

Still nothing to do with what I'm saying.

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I don't think her not using them correctly really affect the chance for new Hassans. All I'm saying is that when faced with the decision to use a Hassan (who are not very popular characters except for King Hassan, who is completely different from the rest, and Serenity, because waifu) who had their trump card revealed before or a different, completely new Servant they can decide everything about while also basing it on a legend people love, the decision is obvious. Of course they might chose to do a Hassan, and of course some writer might write a Hassan just because it fits whatever narrative they're preparing better, I just think that Zealot made the chance of them ever actually choosing that option considerably less likely to the point where I will be surprised if any gets released at all.

[fire_mountain_30]

i like Alkeides actually. he has always been pretty straightforward in regards to his views. the thing with his anti-god mentality is that it is rooted in a very human-centric ideology, bordering on human supremacy, which i like. he says as much when he is shown to not accept the power of the Ares sash and when he says that he cares for the Argonauts because they were the only ones that didnt "objectify" him by just considering him the child of a god. he also expresses respect for Jack for his strenght, which to me seems derived from the fact that he was born from humanity, rather than it just being a strong entity whose power is derived from the divine.

and yes, reincarnation pandora is a tad too much, especially when his arsenal with king's order is already so varied, a theft NP seems needless as a result. i do like that he chose to use it out of respect for Jack (in a sense) since he said he could have just opted to counter him using Nine Lives

[jennajayfeather]

“Farewell, great killer. It was a good contest. I never imagined I would bring so much power
to bear against a human opponent.”
“I don’t know if you can call me human in that form.”
“Appearances are trivial. I don’t even know your name, but I promise to engrave at least our
battle into my memory.”

Probably the only thing keeping me from outright despising him.

Also it's interesting how much of an effect the demon had on Jack's mind; like moments before he was the one saying how he was still human. Jackie and the other forms didn't nearly influence him as much.

[pinetree]

Probably because he didn't stay Assassin Jack for long enough, I bet you if he did he would start mommying all around.

[JetKinen]

I really, really don't like that some of Zealot's Zabaniyas are better than the original.

I know, "fake can surpass the original" yadda yadda, but that really bothers me. If you told me "oh yeah she can use them but they're significantly worse than the original ones because something something glorification but no real attempt at innovation/going for the true meaning of what it means to be an old man of the mountain something something" i would be okay, but when she is surpassing the old man of the mountain it starts to bother me.