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    An operation where Rin and I think Waver and some others fight against the Mages Association 10 years after Stay Night in the purpose of dismantling the Greater Grail. Its said that its scale is comparable to the HGW or something along those lines. Takes place after either the Fate or UBW routes.
    "Only in my company, will you not be a monster"


    anywhere than here

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    Waver drops a couple of details in Accel Order

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    Being curious, what was his comments on it?
    "Only in my company, will you not be a monster"


    anywhere than here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil12 View Post
    Thank you very much for your hard work!



    is this a typo?
    Yes. It should be fixed now.

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    Yep, Nasu lies on the part where all of his students are Grand ranks.

    Nice, Nasu, really nice.
    Not dealing with it...

    My feelings on the gacha
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    An Evil of Man has manifested!
    All hail!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceblade44 View Post
    Takes place after either the Fate or UBW routes.
    I'm pretty sure that thing was never said or confirmed and was just an assumption, even if the actual info is super vague and you can even interpret what the World Material says as the Clock Tower "bringing back" (as in rebuilding) the Great Grail so no route is excluded from it.
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    Mystery route clearly refer HGW of Rin's kaleido mesh up.

    Which Is also only remaining timeline anyway.
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    Here's my translation of Nasu's commentary on book 1. The information's all there, but I'm not confident that I've captured the tone.

    FSF 1 commentary
    Commentary
    Nasu Kinoko

    Let's talk about fakes fighting originals. Whether they're bootlegs or epigones, once their value starts to differ from that of their originals, questions of real and fake disappear. The same goes for pseudepigrapha. If the creator's beliefs are contained in the stories they tell, then that is someone's truth and not a mistake.



    Etcetera. I thought I'd expound on taboos by way of a preface, knowing full well that plunging into these topics in this industry just reeks of danger.
    Pleased to meet you, Dengeki Bunko readers. This is Nasu Kinoko, writer of Fate/Stay Night.
    First of all, congratulations on Fate/Strange Fake beginning publication.
    95 percent of this story is Narita Ryōgo's creation, but about five percent is in the story that forms its basic setting — a novel-game called Fate/Stay Night. Fate/Stay Night is a long game with three routes in a single world. One of those routes, "Unlimited Blade Works," takes up the theme of "real and fake." 14 years later, in 2015, this book, Fate/Strange Fake, by Narita Ryōgo tackles that theme head on.
    To be precise, it actually began on April 1st, 2008. On April Fool's, the annual day of brinkmanship between creators — I mean horseplay — when Narita Ryōgo casually published "a Holy Grail War [he] thought up" on his homepage.
    The density of material in that short work, called "Fake," as well as its intriguing choice of setting and the impossibility of predicting where its plot was going to go, led to continuous cries that it was "too good to end as a joke." Now, Takeuchi Takashi, representing TYPE-MOON, has made Narita Ryōgo an official offer. He casually invited Mr. Narita onto our home turf with something like:
    "I have something to discuss about 'Fake.' Would you mind coming in to our office?"
    We were sizing up how to explain the situation, when Narita Ryōgo, with stars in his eyes, unleashed the following counter:
    "I was ready to get raked over the coals for doing it without permission, but I get to write a sequel? Yes! ...By the way, I've got enough plot for five books. That's not a problem, is it?"
    I seem to recall the author of Zero countering in a similar fashion, but that's a story for another time.
    With a sidelong glance at the speechless Takeuchi Takashi, Mr. Narita unveiled the sprawling ("The short version was sprawling enough? But that was just the introduction. Ha ha ha.") overall plot. As an author who loves ensemble pieces, he was in his element. His level of commitment convinced us that a simple project wouldn't suffice, so we rolled up our sleeves and officially reached out to Dengeki Bunko for cooperation — which they willingly agreed to. Before we knew it, the project was underway. We ultimately ended up sending this series into the world as a simultaneous publication with its comic version.
    That brings us to the present. Just now.
    This volume is a prologue, the first bars of the real thrill of the Holy Grail War that its author, Narita Ryōgo, has been saving up for years. The fact that a prologue can be this engaging genuinely frightens me. So far, most of it is just a "ghost story" that's been whispered about for the past six years, and which will already be familiar to many readers. What comes next, however, is unknown. This is where the true Fake Holy Grail War begins.
    How will the Narita Holy Grail War that got its start on April 1st play out? As a reader myself, I can hardly contain my excitement. I can also hardly contain my nervousness, because, really, Narita... do you honestly believe that plot will take just five volumes?



    The basic rules of Fate/Stay Night are simple. There's a Grail that can grant wishes; there are seven mages (Masters) who have gathered to obtain it; and to represent them in battle, there are Heroic Spirits from the past — Servants. Up to seven Servants can be summoned in a single Holy Grail War. Servants are divided into classes and assigned to Master's by the Holy Grail. Saber, Lancer, Archer, Rider, Caster, Assassin, Berserker. Servants fight and kill each other while concealing their own identities until only one pair remains.

    If thou desire the truth — if thou desire the Grail — prove thyself the mightiest.

    As the tagline for the first release of Fate/Stay Night says, it's the start of a merry battle royal. Ten years have gone by since the original story, and it's made fertile soil. Anything that follows these rules can be called Fate, and Fate has had the good fortune to receive new life in the hands of numerous authors.
    To date, we have had Fate/Zero, Fate/Apocrypha, Fate/Prototype, and others. Fake, however, differs conceptually from all of these. It's right there in the title. Fake is a future that should have been impossible given form; a parallel world for Narita Ryōgo to go wild with TYPE-MOON's fantastic setting.
    Take Enkidu and Gil's relationship. The end they came to in myth is the same in both Stay Night and Fake, but the process is subtly different.
    If I were to force myself to categorize each work, Zero is a world with the same terms as Stay Night, but which is subtly different; Apocrypha is a world that was the same up to a point, but which is now completely different; The El-Melloi Case Files is a dense story of magecraft in exactly the same world, but with a slightly different atmospheric density due to Sanda Makoto spice; and Strange Fake is a world that is somehow completely different despite having the same terms and reaching the same conclusion. As for why it is that way, half of it is that the theme of Fake is falsehood, so it's better to put the differences with Stay Night up front.
    The other half is, well... I can only say that it's because Narita Ryōgo is the Narita Ryōgo we know. After all, he says things like, "I'd like to include setting details from Tsukihime and other things, not just Fate. I want to play in Nasu Kinoko's garden. Actually, I want to become a Zen priest and depict the universe in the garden of Kinoko Temple. In fact, I want to merge with you. No, I already have. Anyway, I want to use absolutely everything in this world, so I'd like you to show me setting details for the Association and the Church and that sort of thing to start. If they're company secrets, I'll just dream them up on my own. I'd like you to give me a sign if I get it wrong."
    And, annoyingly, he's incredibly good at using a preexisting setting like that. I knew that from his other novelizations, but I never imagined that I'd be on the receiving end of it. I see... So, this is Narita Ryōgo...
    So, Fake doesn't follow the rails that Stay Night laid down. Instead, it became a parallel "fake" that uses those rails to get airborne. I hope that users familiar with TYPE-MOON will enjoy a modest resemblance over strict conformity. Making Gil and Enkidu, Jeanne and _______ match previous works exactly would detract from the greatness of Fake and Narita Ryōgo. That would be a tragedy. It would also defeat the purpose of publishing it as a "fake."
    This is a story created from a different story, using the same materials and creative principles. For that reason, I would like everyone to look forward to an unknown Holy Grail War with fresh feelings. This story will not betray your expectations. This first volume has already proven that.

    Exceptions summoned one after another.
    A way of choosing and using each piece that will shock and astonish you more the better you know the world of the story.
    A miraculous outside pitch thrown by the routine world of F.
    This is one talented author's ultimate revenge on the original work.
    "How dare you do something that cool! I'll pay you back double!"
    I'm grateful for my good fortune to have encountered an author who sublimates such clichιs into a work and lovingly delivers it head-on.
    Strange Fake.
    Will that cursed blade cleave Nasu kinoko's flesh and bone?

    Now... welcome to the intrigue and trouble-filled fictional city of Snowfield.


    As always, any comments or corrections are appreciated.

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    I can also hardly contain my nervousness, because, really, Narita... do you honestly believe that plot will take just five volumes?
    Even Nasu doesn't believe it.

    The other half is, well... I can only say that it's because Narita Ryōgo is the Narita Ryōgo we know. After all, he says things like, "I'd like to include setting details from Tsukihime and other things, not just Fate. I want to play in Nasu Kinoko's garden. Actually, I want to become a Zen priest and depict the universe in the garden of Kinoko Temple. In fact, I want to merge with you. No, I already have. Anyway, I want to use absolutely everything in this world, so I'd like you to show me setting details for the Association and the Church and that sort of thing to start. If they're company secrets, I'll just dream them up on my own. I'd like you to give me a sign if I get it wrong."
    LOL

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    Also, thank you very much for your translation OtherSideofSky!

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    Quote Originally Posted by OtherSideofSky View Post
    I've finished translating the afterword for book 1. Sorry this is coming much later than I initially promised; first work got in the way, then fun got in the way, and time kind of flew by. I'll have a translation of Nasu's commentary done in a day or two.

    FSF 1 afterword
    Afterword

    So, hi. Narita here.
    This work is not an original creation of mine; it's a spinoff novel based on the Fate works created by Nasu Kinoko-san and everyone at TYPE-MOON. I'll leave out the particulars of how I came to write this spinoff, but it started as the prologue to a nonexistent game called Fake written for April Fool's. At the time, the story ended with the protagonist — the "player character" — arriving in the city once Lancer's prologue was over, to be continued in the game itself. I have now been given the — nerve-racking — opportunity to continue it as a novel.
    The Fate series was created by TYPE-MOON, lead by Nasu Kinoko-san and Takeuchi Takashi-san. This work, Strange Fake, was sparked by the tremendous energy of its setting. I could try to explain what makes the original work's "Holy Grail War" system so engaging, but I wouldn't do it justice. Instead, I recommend you try the original Fate — currently available to rave reviews on the PS2, PS Vita, and smart phones — and then Hollow Ataraxia — just released on the PS Vita — for yourselves. Also the works by other authors — Zero, Apocrypha, Prototype, Himuro no tenchi, The Lord El-Melloi II Case Files — the Extra series of games, and the comic spinoff Prisma Illya, as well as the various animated versions... Sorry. I'll stop.
    Anyway, as one tributary of this great stream, I'll be happy if readers unfamiliar with Fate gain an interest in the original, while Fate fans think, "What is this idiot doing with the setting?" and read with popcorn in one hand, like they're watching a B-grade shark movie! I'll do my best to make sure that both types of readers have a good time!

    Dear TYPE-MOON fans,
    Concerning the character who appears at the end of the book, she's not the same person as the one in Fate/Prototype. They're from different universes, for a start. In answer to the question, "Well, what about the one in Himuro no Tenchi, then?" all I have to say is: "...I can't categorically deny any connection." Confusing you by making you wonder, "The one from Himuro no Tenchi can't have gone bad, can she?" or, "Did she come from another universe?" was always an option, but a different spinoff already took that route, so I abstained. Instead, I'd like to leave you asking, "Well, what is she, then?" I look forward to unraveling that mystery in subsequent volumes.
    I suspect many Fate fans are wondering, "This is set after the original Fate, but which route's future is it?" I hate to say this, but, "It's a fake, so it follows a mystery route." I'll leave the rest to your imaginations. In the extra chapter, the two "Observers" leaf through a lot of pages. You can assume that the "world's route" changes with each of those pages.
    Nasu-san has already written quite a bit about Gil and Enkidu in CCC. I've done my best to tell this story from a slightly different "starting point," so that even people who have already had their fill of the pair can enjoy it. (The biggest difference is already in this first volume.)
    It really does feel, as Nasu-san writes in his commentary, like I "was supposed to follow the rails, but went airborne while no one was looking." Still, I trust that Nasu-san himself will write the "Dismantling War" that those rails — the proper future of the original Fate — lead to within the next few decades, so I'll keep flying and do my best to put on a spectacle in the skies! ...Although it's also possible that I'll fall to my death a few seconds later.
    Or so I say, but Nasu-san still keeps a watchful editorial eye on the world of Fate.
    Nasu: "I once said that all of El-Melloi's disciples achieved the rank of Grand, didn't I? That was a lie."
    Narita: "Gyaaaaaaah (Read: Character Materials)!"
    Nasu: "Come, Narita! Throw away the old setting and come at me!"
    Narita: "Setting inconsistencies don't scare me! I'll crush you!"
    ...That aside, Nasu-san explained the latest setting details about the Mages' Association and the Holy Church and provided me with editorial oversight on the evolving world of Fate. He gave particular attention to points like the words used by a certain great master of sorcery in the extra chapter!
    Now, the Saber who appears at the end of this book is not the same person as the male Saber from Prototype. As for who he is and where he comes from, there are already several hints in this book. Try to guess while you wait for the next volume.
    My editor, Anan-san and my Dura editor, Wada-san, who I caused more trouble for than usual because Durarara!! SH and this book went on sale at the same time; all the concerned parties who I am indebted to through their Fate spinoffs, beginning with Urobuchi Gen-san, Higashide Yūichirō-san, Sakurai Hikaru-san, Mashin Eiichirō-san, and Sanda Makoto-san; Team Barrel Roll, who did part of the Servant background research for me; Morii Shizuki-san, who has produced wonderful illustrations for this book in addition to drawing the nearly-simultaneous comic version of Fate/Strange Fake; and, most importantly, Nasu Kinoko-san, who created Fate and wrote a wonderful commentary for this volume; everyone at TYPE-MOON... and all the readers who picked up this book and made it this far:
    Thank you very much!
    Now then, I suspect it will be a long haul, but I would appreciate it if you would bear with me as a pallet cleanser between other TYPE-MOON works.

    November 2014, while wondering if the Koha Ace Heroic Spirits are canon.
    Narita Ryōgo


    I should have a copy of book 4 the 11th or 12th of next month. I plan to start posting translations of it a week or two after that.
    It's "palate cleanser".

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    Quote Originally Posted by quigonkenny View Post
    It's "palate cleanser".
    Fixed. Thank you.

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    One of those cases where there are three different homophones, and none of them are commonly used...

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