One Week

[linkhyrule5]

You're absolutely correct. What we have have there is a rare confluence of references to Joseph's final fight against Cars from JJBA, Coleridge's Kubla Khan, and the Tactical Genius meme from WH40k in the same paragraph.

Simply by *mumble mumble*, this level of referencing is possible for Dullahan.

ACK! The reference to the reference... was a reference!

Unless I'm mistaken, we've achieved Metaception!

(Also, I am now imagining Touko as an Incubator.

Hm. Needs a little Lio to get the cannabalism to work right. Maybe if MIaL!Lio ate her... but then, I don't think the puppets would work properly. Hm. )

[Lycodrake]

Maybe if MIaL!Lio ate [Touko]...

Lewd.

[GigansOrtus]

Leaving aside historical examples, like perhaps the Ptolemies, I have an alternate explanation for some bro con and the like.

Some very young kids do not have a full understanding of relationships, nor do they fully understand all of the implications, ramifications, and differences. I think I've heard the age of four or six quoted for 'I want to marry my parent'.

So some of that can be understood as a sign of immaturity, perhaps tolerated or aped for the same reason that grown Japanese women apparently speak like children.

There are other reasons to tolerate such, even where one doesn't take it seriously. How many of us make a point of correcting young children on every jot and tittle of why they are wrong? Or keeping college students fully aware of how and why they are fools?

So, in universe, and this might be a lack of information on my part, there might well be grounds to think that Azaka is only saying such stuff because she still can't separate out the kinds of attention she wants. In other words, thinking she might be simply a late bloomer, who will grow out of it when she really does develop that sort of interest.

Beyond that, the obvious explanation is youth baiting to pander to the preferences of the target demographic. I don't object to selling well to a market; I don't identify as being artsy or literary.

The less obvious is that bro con stereotype establishes Azaka as younger than Shiki, who has an older brother, but isn't a bro con during the story.

I absolutely think it appropriate to make some of the cast a cardboard mass of stereotypes. Stereotypes use how the brain processes patterns, and can help the reader have a mind picture with less work for the writer. Yes, one could put in the effort of a dozens of pages of unused background for each of hundreds for a short story, but it probably would not be cost effective. One learns something by doing something. The same effort, with less work done for even the main charectors, would translate into many stories, and one would learn more from doing more stories.

As for those series where bro con and sis con are treated seriously in universe, as being the same as sexual attraction experienced by people who aren't messed up, I suspect that cross contamination with porn is likely. I have heard that porn world building only includes things like STDs, psychological trauma and so forth if they are relevant to the fetishes being covered.

As far as Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei is concerned, I have a different set of explanations, mainly involving the theory that it is Bildungsromans for several of the cast.

Those two are simply too involved in each other to care for children or infants. Given that the caste expects romance to produce marriage, and marriage to produce children, I think a lot of development would be needed, and that if such development happened, they might just as easily end up with other people.

As for the other 'bro con', that brother was essentially a father to her. He thought a child needed a certain amount of love and support, and decided to provide it if no one else would. Hence why she might be concerned about romance and marriage taking him away from her, at least until she develops enough more to stand on her own.

Anyway, I'm still enjoying this. I just had a good chunk of this stored on the old mental HDD since that MIAL omake where Lio ranted about Azaka.

What can you tell us about the avatar Dullahan?

[Dullahan]

Some very young kids do not have a full understanding of relationships, nor do they fully understand all of the implications, ramifications, and differences. I think I've heard the age of four or six quoted for 'I want to marry my parent'.

IIRC Azaka's monologue near the start of Oblivion Recording discusses that, and clarifies that it isn't like that. Do not quote me on that, though; I haven't re-read that part for a while, and all I have to go on are Coke translations, so it's effectively up in the air as far as canon is concerned.

Even so, Azaka's basically doomed to her attraction being unrequited. She and Mikiya grew up together, which allows us to drop the Westermarck Effect on them like the goddamn hammer of Thor.

So some of that can be understood as a sign of immaturity, perhaps tolerated or aped for the same reason that grown Japanese women apparently speak like children.

Careful, there. Kawaisa is a many-angled beast, and not worth delving into in great detail in a low-budget crackfic thread like this.

So, in universe, and this might be a lack of information on my part, there might well be grounds to think that Azaka is only saying such stuff because she still can't separate out the kinds of attention she wants. In other words, thinking she might be simply a late bloomer, who will grow out of it when she really does develop that sort of interest.

Or because a predisposition towards deviant behavior is quite literally the base concept of her existence. It's some wack bullshit, this Origin stuff.

Beyond that, the obvious explanation is youth baiting to pander to the preferences of the target demographic. I don't object to selling well to a market; I don't identify as being artsy or literary.

Apparently Lio does...that said, his exaggerated hipster opinions don't reflect my own. I don't mind Azaka, though the extent to which the adaptation of Part Six was fucked up still fills me with burning fires of rage to this day.

The less obvious is that bro con stereotype establishes Azaka as younger than Shiki, who has an older brother, but isn't a bro con during the story.

I think that's more a matter of Shiki not really liking anyone outside of Kokutou and Azaka herself. That kind of interpretation might have more weight behind it if Kaname had any actual presence in the story, but he doesn't.

I absolutely think it appropriate to make some of the cast a cardboard mass of stereotypes. Stereotypes use how the brain processes patterns, and can help the reader have a mind picture with less work for the writer. Yes, one could put in the effort of a dozens of pages of unused background for each of hundreds for a short story, but it probably would not be cost effective.

Cost-effective? No. Buckets of fun? Yes.

What can you tell us about the avatar Dullahan?

My avatar? Why, it's none other than the irrepressible Hitagi Senjougahara, screencapped from the first episode of Nisemonogatari.

[Lycodrake]

My avatar? Why, it's none other than the irrepressible Hitagi Senjougahara, screencapped from the first episode of Nisemonogatari.

Irrepressible is one way to describe her.

[ratstsrub]

As far as Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei is concerned, I have a different set of explanations, mainly involving the theory that it is Bildungsromans for several of the cast.

I don't think so. I don't think any of them really develops.

[FlameStrike]

Godamn these references and meta are hilarious! I can't stand it!!! MOAR PLS.

Man it's amazing that you can make people care about such ridiculous characters hahaha. Then there's stuff like Cannibals Anon. I'm really curious about Fuminori and Saya now! The way he introduced his girlfriend like that hahahahahaha!!! Also the way the main characters stole the show from Fujino and co was excellent. It really highlighted how un-main-characterish the side antagonists are. XDD everyone just has so much personality.

[GigansOrtus]

IIRC Azaka's monologue near the start of Oblivion Recording discusses that, and clarifies that it isn't like that. Do not quote me on that, though; I haven't re-read that part for a while, and all I have to go on are Coke translations, so it's effectively up in the air as far as canon is concerned.

Well, even if she makes a really good case, I can probably roll to disbelieve that it necessarily correctly describes canon.

Or because a predisposition towards deviant behavior is quite literally the base concept of her existence. It's some wack bullshit, this Origin stuff.

Incest is hardly the only taboo. She could do something like grow up and become a serial killer instead.

But if it is mainly Touko who knows and understands, and she doesn't care, I can see the rest of the cast coming to the normal conclusion. But Meta Lio has got to have his things to complain about, otherwise he wouldn't be Meta Lio.

Cost-effective? No. Buckets of fun? Yes.

I also enjoy cancerous world and scenario building. I've been trying to learn how to use a pruning knife more heavily lately.

I don't think so. I don't think any of them really develops.

Well, at this stage the evidence might be very similar, whichever of us is correct.

The first year of a three year sequence might well stick to a consistent characterization, so that later development would have something to contrast to.

The true test might be the year three stuff, which should be a ways off from publication. After all, the collection published in October is just the start of the second year.

[shiningphoenix]

Incest is hardly the only taboo. She could do something like grow up and become a serial killer instead.

Would that help her get along with Shiki? It seems like a wonderful bonding activity... ohgodwhy...

[shiningphoenix]

You mean killing, or banging Mikiya?

Killing.

She'd totally be looking for a threesome with Shiki and Mikiya, though, because adding Lesbianism and threesomes to incest makes it even more taboo. Oh hey, the couple's initials are S & M...

[shiningphoenix]

On this subject, there's a depressing lack of Azaka in h-doujin. But then, the whole KnK category is pretty limited.

There's that one untranslated tentacle book...

And a translated yuri one with Shiki...

[SeiKeo]

And it has bad art.

[SeiKeo]

The tentacles are fine, the weird part about that one is the impregnation fetish and the needles.

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Otherwise it'd probably be pretty OK.

[Mooncake]

There's a good yuri one with just Azaka and Shiki, though the art makes them seem kind of young, which is weird.

[SeiKeo]

Yeah that's the one with bad art.

[Bloble]

Actually on topic, Fujinon is clearly not a MC because there's not nearly enough ero of her.

Which is strange by itself, since she's pretty much perfect for Japan's favoured genre of mind-break gangbang rape bullshit.

[SeiKeo]

Which is strange by itself, since she's pretty much perfect for Japan's favoured genre of mind-break gangbang rape bullshit.

Eeeeh if it doesn't really have an effect on her it doesn't really have the proper emotional, hmm, 'punch.'

[Bloble]

Eeeeh if it doesn't really have an effect on her it doesn't really have the proper emotional, hmm, 'punch.'

No see, that just makes it even better. The less receptive she would be in canon, the more effective it would be in a doujin. Here are some sample quotes from a potential piece of shit:

"...this is useless... I feel nothing... I'm not even angry..."

five minutes later

"I... I can feel! I can feel your XXXXX in my XXXXX while your XXXX is XXXXX!"

five minutes later

"N-no, don't XXXXXX me like that or my eyes will bend on their own!"

five minutes later

"Make me into a slut! I want to feel your XXXXX in my appendix! My remaining sense of pleasure is all I have left! heart heart heart"

[Lycodrake]

Sometimes I don't know any of you people.

[SeiKeo]

No see, that just makes it even better. The less receptive she would be in canon, the more effective it would be in a doujin. Here are some sample quotes from a potential piece of shit:

"...this is useless... I feel nothing... I'm not even angry..."

five minutes later

"I... I can feel! I can feel your XXXXX in my XXXXX while your XXXX is XXXXX!"

five minutes later

"N-no, don't XXXXXX me like that or my eyes will bend on their own!"

five minutes later

"Make me into a slut! I want to feel your XXXXX in my appendix! My remaining sense of pleasure is all I have left! heart heart heart"

So you know you're perfectly good enough at the porn thing and this isn't bad, right.