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[Fingolfin]

Oliver Queen, AKA Green Arrow, brings justice to Starling City as a masked vigilante after returning from being stranded on an island. This time around it's more violent, with Oliver having no qualms killing. It also manages to do that without getting particularly dark. No "oh, but you're killing them and you're becoming like them" nonsense. Much better than Smallville, et cetera.

It's basically if you turned James Bond into a superhero. That's this Oliver; suave, handsome, skilled, and efficient. Discuss and speculate, and all that wonderful stuff.

[You]

I watch this. That is all I have to say.

[Rowanism]

What does he do if there's strong wind?

[mewarmo990]

Seriously addicted to this show on Netflix.

I keep imagining this is what happens when Jason Brody from Far Cry 3 kills every pirate and makes it back to civilization. After half the game the only weapon I ever used was my bow.

Hell, Stephen Amell even sounds just like the voice actor.

This time around it's more violent, with Oliver having no qualms killing

At first. Opportunity for character development!

[Ivan The Mouse]

Smells like my type of character and my type of movie.

[Sherrinford]

Aw yes Arrow. Definitely recommended.

What does he do if there's strong wind?

He shoots windward to the target.

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It's basically if you turned James Bond into a superhero. That's this Oliver; suave, handsome, skilled, and efficient.

Lol.

[Kieran]

I guess we can stop cluttering up the DC thread now . . .

This is one of my favourite shows, but I haven't caught up to last night's episode yet - so, more later.

[Sherrinford]

Ok, so, latest episode:

Aw yeah Nyssa Raatko.

Well, that kiss was... unexpected.

It was so weird seeing Felicity and Moira confronting each other. I just hope now the matriarch isn't in search for vengeance for Falicity...

Aw, poor Felicity... Amell really looked like he just suffered a blow. Good acting from both of them. Also loved the ambiguous speech. (Although if I had been her I would have chosen a better moment to tell him the truth, but maybe it was for the best)

Sarah sacrificing herself was also unexpected. I have to say that Nyssa doesn't know how to relate to people, but well, if you're the daughter of Ra's al-Ghul and raised in the League of Assassins, I guess that's to be expected.

Nice parallels between Oliver/Moira and Laurel/Sarah.

AW SHIT Deathstroke wants a slice of the action.

And now that she's free? What now?... oh yes, epic team-up between Arrow and Black Canary, just in time to face the Terminator! Needless to say, I'm quite hyped to see Sarah int he urban environment, getting accustomed again to the life int he city. (p.s.: I also want to know the cover-up story they all have to lie about to justify what happened :P)

The only disappointment was the 90's-tv series drama music theme int he background at the end of the episode, but whatever.

[mewarmo990]

I don't really like the James Bond comparison. Bond combines all those things into an awesome sexy superspy that tells everyone his name because fuck the consequences and if the big bad is a lady he'll probably end up sleeping with her anyway.

Oliver can only switch between multiple personas. Oliver the survivor who yearns to reconnect with his loved ones, Oliver the vengeful killing machine, Oliver trying to fake his old playboy image.

Spoiler:

And later on Oliver the slightly less violent killing machine who has friends.

[Fingolfin]

Olive is suave, handsome, skilled, and efficient though.

Well, that's what I always associated with James Bond anyway.

[mewarmo990]

Olive is suave, handsome, skilled, and efficient though.

Well, that's what I always associated with James Bond anyway.

Yes, but usually not all at the same time, like Bond is.

Like, after he comes home he only acted suave to keep up appearances, and has trouble reconciling his new self that doesn't give a shit about sex and parties with what people expect him to be. He's soft for his loved ones but usually all he can think about is the list.

The traditional James Bond (think Brosnan or Connery) is all the qualities you listed, and has few if any attachments. (Casino Royale is an anomaly because he's supposed to be a less developed Bond)

I'm not saying you can't make the comparison - only that Oliver isn't nearly as *smooth* as Bond is.

[Rowanism]

Why am I watching this

[Viz]

This is my favorite series at the moment that I can watch own my TV without looking on the internet.

[Kieran]

Ok, so, latest episode:

Aw yeah Nyssa Raatko.

Well, that kiss was... unexpected.

No kidding - from what little I know of Nyssa, she cements Talia's place as the nice one, so I definitely wasn't expecting that.

It was so weird seeing Felicity and Moira confronting each other. I just hope now the matriarch isn't in search for vengeance for Falicity...

Somehow, I don't think it'll be fulfilled.

Aw, poor Felicity... Amell really looked like he just suffered a blow. Good acting from both of them. Also loved the ambiguous speech. (Although if I had been her I would have chosen a better moment to tell him the truth, but maybe it was for the best)

Yes to all.

Sarah sacrificing herself was also unexpected.

I saw it coming about three seconds before she dropped - but up to that point, I fully expected her to try and kill Nyssa.

I have to say that Nyssa doesn't know how to relate to people, but well, if you're the daughter of Ra's al-Ghul and raised in the League of Assassins, I guess that's to be expected.

Like I said, Talia's the nice one, and Nyssa is nuts - draw your own conclusions.

Nice parallels between Oliver/Moira and Laurel/Sarah.

Very - poor Laurel and Sarah, though, for different reasons.

AW SHIT Deathstroke wants a slice of the action.

That was my reaction.

And now that she's free? What now?... oh yes, epic team-up between Arrow and Black Canary, just in time to face the Terminator! Needless to say, I'm quite hyped to see Sarah int he urban environment, getting accustomed again to the life int he city. (p.s.: I also want to know the cover-up story they all have to lie about to justify what happened :P)

Me, too.

The only disappointment was the 90's-tv series drama music theme int he background at the end of the episode, but whatever.

You neglected the train wreck that will come after Sarah's confirmation that she's "home." Laurel's mad enough - I think this might turn her suicidal.

[Fingolfin]

Yes, but usually not all at the same time, like Bond is.

Like, after he comes home he only acted suave to keep up appearances, and has trouble reconciling his new self that doesn't give a shit about sex and parties with what people expect him to be. He's soft for his loved ones but usually all he can think about is the list.

The traditional James Bond (think Brosnan or Connery) is all the qualities you listed, and has few if any attachments. (Casino Royale is an anomaly because he's supposed to be a less developed Bond)

I'm not saying you can't make the comparison - only that Oliver isn't nearly as *smooth* as Bond is.

Well yeah, but that's why I said like James Bond if James Bond did into superhero-ing (also, was younger and less experienced). It's only normal for a heroic character to have attachments and have moments where he is unprofessional. You know, like the first time he met Helena and was easy on her because he liked her (and related to her)--at first, anyway--before Diggle's got some sense into him.

As well as that time where, I think it was episode 10 of the first season, where he was shook up by the Dark Archer.

[Fingolfin]

Alright, just started season two. Character development aho.

Trying not to kill after doing it for so long is kind of "eh" because I liked how ruthless Oliver was but it's an understandable change after Tommy's death. Might be good but I still want some badass executions.

[Sherrinford]

It actually makes sense. You can't be a "hero" if you're M.O. is just killing people.

[Fingolfin]

It is if you're killing really bad guys to stop them from doing really bad stuff.

Action heroes do it all the time. Though, if you want to get picky anti-hero would be a more appropriate term but with enemies that are definitely bad and if it's kill or be killed then I don't really see it as all that morally ambiguous. Anarchistic and going against the law sure but definitely good. Chaotic Good if we into D&D (or NASU coincidentally because he likes D&D alignments for some reason). Speaking of that, NASU must have been a larper.

Ugh, anyway. That Black Canary is pretty snazzy.

[Kieran]

She is, indeed.

Since you've just started . . . *shakes head* Forget it - suffice it to say, you're in for some fun, Oliver's intention to be non-lethal aside. The Canary, for example doesn't ascribe to that particular philosophy.

[Sherrinford]

It is if you're killing really bad guys to stop them from doing really bad stuff.

No you can't. Arresting (and eventually killing if there's the need) bad guys is the police's job. The hero can't (or better, shouldn't) substitute the police. Otherwise you're not a hero, you're just a rogue vigilante. As Oliver himself puts it, if he wants to be a hero, he can't be the killer he once was.

Action heroes do it all the time.

Don't get your stories mixed. Oliver ain't John McClane.

Though, if you want to get picky anti-hero would be a more appropriate term but with enemies that are definitely bad and if it's kill or be killed then I don't really see it as all that morally ambiguous.

And anti-heroes are extremely suspicious heroes, and you root for them only because you're on the protagonist's side. Of course, I agree that it would be better if Batman had snapped Joker's neck a long time ago, status quo be damned, but this isn't nearly the case. Furthermore, one thing is killing for self-defense, and the other is storming the hideout of drug-dealers and killing everybody.

Anarchistic and going against the law sure but definitely good.

I can't really argue with you if this is what you think, but I'm still going to say this: no, not really.