What are you reading/watching? AKA Anime/Manga General

[RoydGolden]

They're Holy Knights of Liones. Dunno if they showed up before.

Okay. Do they know Dreyfus is demon-possessed or are they just going after him for killing Albatross whatever his name was (the previous knight-commander)?

[bassgs435]

Okay. Do they know Dreyfus is demon-possessed or are they just going after him for killing Albatross whatever his name was (the previous knight-commander)?

They actually know. They're executing a plan against the Commandment possesing him involving their superiors. Keep watching to know more

[RoydGolden]

They actually know. They're executing a plan against the Commandment possesing him involving their superiors. Keep watching to know more

Thanks for the info!

[Mattias]

So, I just hit the first recap episode (20) of Gundam SEED Destiny. It's still better than SEED by this point. Shin has a way better motivation the Athrun or Kira, and for once the Spacers aren't the terrible war-mongering hypocrites. They do mess up by pushing Athrun so hard again, but at least this time he's actually got a decent motivation. The Sword Impulse is the best design yet in this continuity, all the others have way too many fins and spikes coming off, that the minimal design is refreshing.

[Arashi_Leonhart]

Destiny is inverse to SEED in that it starts stronger and goes to hell, so

[Mattias]

That implies that SEED got better as it went and not even stupider. 'Surviving a point blank nuclear explosion' stupider.

[Arashi_Leonhart]

I liked SEED's last third or so way more than its first 2/3rds. Things actually happened besides teenage angst and the protags became proactive rather than reactive.

All of the Gundams have dumb stuff that happens.

[Mattias]

True enough. Seed just felt like a steady spiral down. It wasn't even as steep a drop as Victory, which by episode 10 was almost a parody of itself.

[Marmadillo]

Shin has a way better motivation the Athrun or Kira

Absolutely disagree. Until Shinn meets Maaya Sakamoto, he is almost singularly driven by rage over his family's death. For all his talk about protecting innocents he chooses to be a soldier and kill what he perceives as enemies. In fact having him side by side with Athrun just makes the flaws in his motivation more apparent.
Kira on the other hand has three factors influencing his actions: 1) his wish to protect his friends; 2) confusion about who he should be fighting since he's a Coordinator; 3) his reluctance to fight with Athrun. Only after his resurrection he becomes a much more simplistic character.

[Arashi_Leonhart]

Shinn is Anakin Skywalker. Athrun is his Obi-Wan.

Spoiler:

Bonus points for Athrun de-limbing the Destiny.

Again, my biggest problem with SEED's world is all the missed opportunities. It was my favorite example of "great setting and setup, terrible execution" until Apocrypha came around.

Like, Banager is the Kira character done right imo.

[Marmadillo]

whoops, Sakamoto voiced Lunamaria, not Stella

Hmm, I haven't thought of Kira and Banagher as very similar apart from some stuff that is general for Gundam pilots.

[Arashi_Leonhart]

Soredemo still messes up right until the very end and is looking for his answer. Jesus Yamato feels untouchable after SEED because the Ultimate Coordinator stuff doesn't really have the actual emotional impact it ought to have. I sort of wish they'd at least had him still trying to come to terms with Flay's death in Destiny or sorting out the Ultimate Coordinator stuff, but no, they just have him blankly "right" throughout and when the villainy in Destiny rears its head he's then proven 100% justifiably correct.

[Laserman]

Gundam SEED would have been so much better if that whole entire Flay-Kira subplot never existed, so I don't consider them never bringing it up again a loss.

[Marmadillo]

What? Her emotionally blackmailing him was one of the better parts and one of the few ones thay were not ripped straight out of 079. It fooled me into thinking that they know how to write a story.

[Mattias]

Absolutely disagree. Until Shinn meets Maaya Sakamoto, he is almost singularly driven by rage over his family's death. For all his talk about protecting innocents he chooses to be a soldier and kill what he perceives as enemies. In fact having him side by side with Athrun just makes the flaws in his motivation more apparent.

Yeah, and that rage is way more compelling than Athrun "They blew up a colony so to protect the colonies I'll blow up another one", or Kira "I don't want to fight, but this girl puts out".

Also why does Athrun get the Savior Gundam? He's not Jesus, he's Jesus' best friend. Peter?

[Laserman]

What? Her emotionally blackmailing him was one of the better parts and one of the few ones thay were not ripped straight out of 079. It fooled me into thinking that they know how to write a story.

The fact that he actually fell for it, or the fact that she thought of it in the first place, or maybe it was because of how annoyingly obvious it was. Either way, it just didn't sit right with me.

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Orga is an analogue to

spoilers for ibo

Napoleon

take that as you will

After finishing the show I have to ask, how?

[Arashi_Leonhart]

I don't know if you have enough distance on your teenage years and that kind of experience with relationships, but it is that easy. Very much so. Especially when you're already emotionally compromised.

[RoydGolden]

So I just watched ep 14 of Nanatsu No Taizai this morning. Holy crap was it awesome. Escanor is an absolute beast. I have to feel it's awfully convenient that Galand knocked Escanor out with a pat on the back though, thereby delaying the duel until morning arrived. If they'd fought at night when Escanor was still his powerless shrimp self, he and the rest of the heroes would've been massacred.

[RoydGolden]

Watched episode 15 of Nanatsu No Taizai this morning. The show sure went all out with the plot twists this time! I was sadly spoiled on SPOILERGowther being one of the Commandments a while ago, but the reveal about SPOILERDrole, the mythical ancestor of the Giant Clan being a Commandment as well caught me off guard. Does that mean all the giants are secretly part-demon?

Also, does anyone feel it was odd how the show dropped a major plot-bomb of SPOILERElizabeth being Liz's reincarnation a few episodes back and then totally ignored it for the next couple episodes? I think a twist like that would've been more impactful if it was revealed when it was more dramatically relevant, rather then just casually dropped via Zaneri's exposition.

[Rafflesiac]

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