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    Fate/complete material III: World material.

    Everything is stashed on the CM3 wiki site.

    For each translator's unsorted translations, go to the corresponding pages on the side bar.

    Admin Edit: See the full Theory of Magic translation here, from the CM3 wiki collaborators.
    Last edited by food; January 28th, 2012 at 10:53 PM.

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    "Since Emiya is a Heroic Spirit from the future, he does not have any blessings provided by fame."
    "He shot an arrow between the eyes of Gilgamesh and sent him alone into the darkness. The arrow shot at that time was a regular arrow, and from the fact that Emiya gradually began to disappear after this attack, this is probably the limit Emiya’s materialisation. "

    Didn't both of these get debated fairly recently? Plus I'm not sure if we had official confirmation that Archer sticking around after getting lethal damage was due to Independent Action, so that's nice.

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    I also remember arguing with someone a while back that archer could sword rain outside the UBW, and I think this
    Emiya can freely take out and utilize the weapons according to the situation, and he can also assault the enemy by firing many Noble Phantasms from the Bounded Field like arrows in the same way as Gilgamesh’s “Gate of Babylon”.
    my provide supporting evidence tp that fact.
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    I also remember arguing with someone a while back that archer could sword rain outside the UBW, and I think this


    my provide supporting evidence tp that fact.
    ...didn't he already do that at several points through the VN? Hell, even Shirou managed to pull a swordrain outside UBW in UBW route.
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    yes. the argument seemed quite silly to me.

    the other guy seemed to think all instances of that were either archer creating the swords and allowing them to kind of drop on his enemy, or grabbing them out and shooting them with his bow or physically throwing them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobias View Post
    yes. the argument seemed quite silly to me.

    the other guy seemed to think all instances of that were either archer creating the swords and allowing them to kind of drop on his enemy, or grabbing them out and shooting them with his bow or physically throwing them.
    I remember the person you were arguing this with. Man, that was actually hilarious in a pitiable way.

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    Altima threatens to microwave my pet fish if I don't come forward.
    What would happen if you did this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruor View Post
    What would happen if you did this?
    I do not know. Apparently someone wrecked some havoc with sockpuppets back in old Beast's Lair. I am not privy to the details, but now sockpuppets are forbidden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by food View Post
    Life as a Human
    This is Emiya Shirou after becoming a Heroic Spirit in the future. He stubbornly trained himself after the Holy Grail War, and pursued the dream of becoming a superhero. However, he soon fell into despair as he realised that his own power was insufficient to save mankind. Before the dying people, Emiya made a pact with the” World” and become a hero that can produce miracles, yet he died a tragic death because of the betrayal of his allies. Although he died of betrayal, he did not hate mankind. However, the “World” ironically gave him the duty as a Heroic Spirit “to slaughter all humans at a particular location when mankind is at the threshold of complete self destruction” --- a “Counter Guardian”.
    Interesting. So he started to fall into despair only a short while after he finished the HGW. He was betrayed by his allies, too.

    The Archer class originally focuses on long range combat, but Emiya loves melee combat and wishes to conceal his trump card, thus he focuses on melee tactics with Kansho and Bakuya when engaging other Servants.
    Thought so. He just does it out of pride- like, "look what I've achieved, despite being an average joe", rather than "lol I'll snipe you from 4km off cos that's reliable".

    Emiya’s trump card is firing copied Noble Phantasms as arrows – “Broken Phantasm”. On impact, the magical force will explode, generating overwhelming destructive power. By assaulting melee Servants with this type of long range attack, Emiya is able to turn the odds to his favour.
    So this probably solves the whole can-Fragarach-really-hit-Archer-who-has-no-specialisation thing.

    In addition, even if Emiya’s spiritual core sustained lethal damage, he can still survive for a short period.
    Independent action has a Battle Continuation-like effect?

    Clairvoyance: C
    The visual ability that is also called “Eagle Eye”. This is a must-have ability of the Archer Class.
    I knew I'd seen that somewhere before!

    Also worth mentioning is that, as Emiya readies his bow, he will be able to precisely snipe even enemies moving at high speeds as long as they are within a 4km range.
    Archer, who possesses Clairvoyance, is able to execute “ultra long-range sniping” with accuracy transcending the realm of men.
    Implying he could hit people even further than 4km, but the accuracy is less if he does. ftw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eddyak View Post
    Thought so. He just does it out of pride- like, "look what I've achieved, despite being an average joe", rather than "lol I'll snipe you from 4km off cos that's reliable".
    The most important factor is probably hiding his secret weapon.

    So this probably solves the whole can-Fragarach-really-hit-Archer-who-has-no-specialisation thing.
    That is a very interesting thought. I think the interpretation is fair, because the term used is "trump card" (切り札), literally what appears in Fraggle Rock's entry.


    Independent action has a Battle Continuation-like effect?
    According to CM3, hells yes. However, this only applies to Archer's super high rank Independent Action though.


    Implying he could hit people even further than 4km, but the accuracy is less if he does. ftw.
    Mmmm, sure?

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    Question, does BP status as a trump card preclude invocation of the UBW from being one?
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    I do not even understand what Nasu wants UBW to be.

    He keeps saying "it's not NP, Archer has no NP", and then he puts it under NP. The vibe I get is that Nasu wants to get across the idea that, Emiya is just this hardworking Joe that sharpened his abilities to the level of contending with demigods and the greatest mankind has to offer.

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    Nasu only explicitly called Broken Phantasm "trump card", UBW is just an "ability" (lol, I know eh?).

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    Something like UBW is the 'gun', and Broken Phantasm is a special, extra powerful bullet?

    Or to use Kiritsugu, UBW would be a gun, NPs would be normal bullets, BP would be 'origin bullets'?

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    So is the general consensus a person only has one trump card?
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    It is kind of premature to read too much into it.

    I do not think Nasu has declared exactly what constitutes a "trump card". He might not have thought about Fraggle Rock when he wrote this entry. "Trump card" is just an idiom.

    However, if you want to read all Nasuverse Materials like the bible, then you can say Fraggle Rock will only work against Broken Phantasm and nothing else of Archer's, at this point.

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    Actually I was thinking about how mushroom head said shiki can't fight and relies on his trump cards, trump cards being plural.
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    More like, he considers UBW to be his "base" ability. To us it looks like his ultimate last resort, but to him, it's just that base point where everything he can do comes from.

    I reckon sniping someone with a BP would be considered the only thing he has that you could really call a trump card. K&B OverEdge is just a technique used to overcome melee fighters, but a BP would literally take out any Servant short of AvalonSaber and Heracles.
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