its time to let go of canon
and embrace the future
its time to let go of canon
and embrace the future
He never sleeps. He never dies.
Battle doesn't need a purpose; the battle is its own purpose. You don't ask why a plague spreads or a field burns. Don't ask why I fight.
I hope they remember Raditz exists
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I'm not a fan of Minus but the fact is the old Bardock special was anime only and not canon. Oh well, hopefully they still have Bardock confront Frieza in space since Minus never said that didn't happen.
Bardock confronting Freeza is canon since it happened in the original manga via a one panel flashback by Freeza. Unless they're retconning that as well.
Personally, I like to think the reason why Toriyama didn't show it in Minus was because we already know the jist of what happens and so it would be pointless to retread old ground if nothing's changed.
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I honestly don't care what they retcon anymore. The old DBZ isn't getting disappeared. It will always exist separately for me to enjoy either way. So if the new stuff can be better by breaking away from it, then fine.
That said, it should still be good. I never liked what they did to the Potara. Right, Vegito's fusion ran out of power the very instant he lowered his shields...
He never sleeps. He never dies.
Battle doesn't need a purpose; the battle is its own purpose. You don't ask why a plague spreads or a field burns. Don't ask why I fight.
You know, I didn't like a lot of the "Super" manga's changes from the anime, but I actually quite liked Muten Roshi's participation in it and his role in helping Goku attaining Ultra Instinct. It feels a lot more meaningful than what the anime did.
That’s a first
UI Roshi was the dumbest
It was funny when I first found out about it, but it's really silly.
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That was one of the changes I absolutely hated.
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This. I've liked or loved basically every difference between the anime and manga EXCEPT for the UI Roshi. Any defense I put up for the manga is gone after that.
I will defend UI Roshi until the end of time.
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Come on! It makes perfect narrative sense for Goku's most influential teacher to be the one to help him realise what he was missing. Granted, Goku attains (or, well, "attains", I suppose) Ultra Instinct way too fast, but that's par for the course for the manga.
No, no it doesn't make sense.
Nor does him getting so much stronger for the tournament of power, but I just kinda shrugged that one off
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Yeah, but that one doesn't make sense in either medium. Or #17's increase in power, for that matter.
17 getting stronger makes total sense to me, if you accept Freeza getting strong so fast.
Freeza establishes that a high innate power lets you improve at a faster rate than others. He got super strong in 4 months; 17 started off already stronger than Freeza and SSJs, and then trained for 10 years. His jump makes way more sense than anyone else's, tbh.
What I want to see though is if Buu trained, because his potential is even crazier.
The thing that I don't like about Goku going UI from Roshi is that this isn't like he's been ignoring his training for years and suddenly remembered it. Goku's always been smart about power; when Vegeta tried to brute force his way to higher levels of SSJ and beat Cell, Goku was the one who realized it wasn't going to work. All of his teachers were always telling him to consider technique and stillness, not just Roshi. Kami did it, King Kai did it, and Whis is doing it right now. So how would he forget? Even Popo did it. It just makes no sense.
And then just thinking, "oh, I need to relax," and instantly tapping into it makes it way too easy, whereas in the anime he had to be pushed to the edge of death and unlocked it unwillingly as the culmination of everything he'd been working towards in Super, instead of something he just forgot about.
This is the big finale that Super has been leading up to all this time. Throwing that away removes the one big payoff of the entire show.
So I totally get what the manga was going for, and the idea as a concept was good, with Roshi bringing the wayward student back home, but the execution was just awful.
He never sleeps. He never dies.
Battle doesn't need a purpose; the battle is its own purpose. You don't ask why a plague spreads or a field burns. Don't ask why I fight.
That's like saying it makes sense for your Kindergarten teacher to help you realize how to do calculus. Just because they were influential doesn't mean they're able to teach you everything.
This is a change the manga made for the better. Anime 17 trained by hunting regular ass human hunters who had a power level of likely 2-5. Manga 17 trained by sparing with a group of Cell Jrs who are part Saiyan, and thus can get Zenkai boosts.
Eh... #17 spent ten years fighting off poachers. Sure, intergalactic poachers, but they didn't seem to be that much more powerful than, say, the Red Ribbon Army. Considering we know from Gohan's example that you can lose power from slacking off (although, to be fair, the androids may not suffer from that limitation - #18 doesn't seem any weaker from spending ten years as a housewife, for instance), and that even people with high innate power can reach a plateau (like Piccolo), I'd argue that #17 shouldn't have improved by that much, considering his level of work out. (And that's not even going into whether Gero's androids actually can improve - Cell needed special inbuilt methods, for instance).
Hmmm. It's not that that isn't true, but I don't think the post-Raditz fights showcased that particularly well. With both Vegeta and Freeza, for instance, his strategy was boosting up power with the Kaioken and, if it failed, to use the Genkidama as a super attack. Even against Cell he took a more finesse-based approach, but ultimately it still amounted to "increasing power".The thing that I don't like about Goku going UI from Roshi is that this isn't like he's been ignoring his training for years and suddenly remembered it. Goku's always been smart about power; when Vegeta tried to brute force his way to higher levels of SSJ and beat Cell, Goku was the one who realized it wasn't going to work.
This could also explain why Goku lost sight of what it's needed to truly be a master; all his training since becoming a Super Saiyan was about power. Even his biggest leap in power pre-Ultra Instinct, Super Saiyan Blue, was just another Super Saiyan form, only one mixed with divine ki.
Yeah, that really was a letdown. In general, I really dislike the manga's pacing for the tournament.And then just thinking, "oh, I need to relax," and instantly tapping into it makes it way too easy, [...]
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More like your high school Math teacher, who does have a PHD of their own, reminding you Keynes wrote something essential to your doctoral thesis which you forgot about because you've only been focusing on Smith.
Or something similar. I'm not a Math graduate.
That attack that Goku and Vegeta did at the end looked amazing.
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