Heaven's Feel Movies

[Sandstorm77]

Saber killing God Hand berserker once was bad for lore canon continuity, but it was ultimately a good choice for appealing to the masses. In the VN Archer killed him with Caladbolg but the anime suggests otherwise with Rin exclaiming "even an A-ranked NP didn't work??"... which is probably meant to push up Saber's appeal.

So yeah, Takeuchi is definitely at fault and ufo didn't want to push Archer that early in the anime or the masses would feel the main character Saber is being unfairly shafted. of course, we already know Archer should be the main focus in UBW route, which is why VN purists and enthusiasts like us are irritated with the decision.

Her killing herc with excalipointer is fine, it's how she manages to cut herc a few times that's the problem.

And archer did kill herc, it'd just ufo didn't make it obvious enough.

[pandacmh]

Yup Nasu did clarify that Archer killed him once but it could have been shown more clearly as most of the new viewers like my friends were going "why is Illya retreating and taking an interest in Archer??"

[You]

In the VN Archer killed him with Caladbolg .

no it didn't.
herc parried it.

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tho seriously how did arturia manage to give paper cut to herc hand wil be my eternal question

my Vietnam

[Raylen Cypher]

Even then, you could assume from that scene that he did take one of Berserker's lives.

[You]

Even then, you could assume from that scene that he did take one of Berserker's lives.

until nasu said, it didn't take a life
but in the anime it did because herc didn't parry it

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Anyhow on discussing on whether or not she similar to Karna in skill she should be somewhere around that level if you consider it. She was constantly praised as the strongest in the Saber class and would make sense considering her fame. While she's probably not as exactly strong as Karna is she should be close. So it wouldn't surprise me that she could do it.

You got to look at her Swording Rank in the hidden sheet.

[Trubo]

Even then, you could assume from that scene that he did take one of Berserker's lives.

No?

Distortion (II)

The "arrow" is released.
Archer's arrows have not had any effect so far.
The black giant ignores it, as if saying it is not worth blocking.
But at that moment…







The black giant turns his back to us and attacks the "arrow" coming at him with all his might

...

"Wha"
Saber is staring in astonishment.
…I'm doing the same as well.
I don't know what happened.
Archer's "arrow" razed this cemetery in an instant.



There is a crater at the center of the explosion.
Archer has created this destruction.
But the giant still exists in spite of such abolition.

"Berserker… He is unwounded even after taking a direct hit from a Rank-A Noble Phantasm"

[pandacmh]

no it didn't.
herc parried it

Ehh.. must have forgot after all these years. I should re-read the VN some day.

Disregard what I said about Archer but the hyping of Saber is still valid and understandable why they did it. Ultimately they have to appeal to the mass viewers and suit the director's vision as it's ufotable production even though Nasu and us might not like it.

[Laserman]

It was Takeuchi. No it was Nasu. No it was ufotable. Make up your mind.

[TomPen94]

All of the above.
That's the correct answer.

[Vacha]

until nasu said, it didn't take a life

Wut, i tot at least that broken explosion took his life somehow even he parried it. Dang being Archer is suffering indeed.

f/sn remake when

screw that, just make Archer origin route instead. Anime exclusive!
Those people who want bit and pieces of True End can go watch deen instead.

[Yggdrasil]

Wut, i tot at least that broken explosion took his life somehow even he parried it. Dang being Archer is suffering indeed.


screw that, just make Archer origin route instead. Anime exclusive!
Those people who want bit and pieces of True End can go watch deen instead.

Wasn't Archer origin route basically Fate without romance?

[Vacha]

Yep, an easy way to describe it. However it can also be said attraction were there but not pursued. Also more angst and lamentation?

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tat solo Archer vs Berserker remake, must have!

[Saiga]

People who interpreted the VN in a certain way which turned out to be not what Nasu intended, yeah

as someone very much out of the loop, what did Nasu intend that pissed people off?

[pandacmh]

It was Takeuchi. No it was Nasu. No it was ufotable. Make up your mind.

Nasu propose and submits changes for ufotable as he is the advisor and original writer
Ufo implements but not 100% because of directors vision/difficult to translate script into screenplay+animation
Takeuchi wants to glorify Saber, thus submitting requests as well
Ufo implements and tones it up to make their anime more attractive. Ufo also changes scenes based on their interpretation of Nasu's original FSN and new script change submitted
Final result - Mixture of all of the above which leads to Nasu blog post and fan reaction

So yeah, all of the above.

[Laserman]

I was completely fine with that scene. If anything it showed how God Hand could regenerate Berserker's body even after splitting his torso. And Saber already fought Lancer and pushed him into using his Noble Phantasm by then so there's your hype geez.

[Trubo]

I would have been fine if she only wounded him once or twice before becoming ineffective, as that would have shown God Hand's adaptive resistance thing.

[Astroprogs]

I personally think that Nasu's drafts were perfectly suitable for a direct adaptation, he even went as far as to do a complete screenplay and camera work for those scenes. The director's interpretation and his own "artistic touch" was the problem IMO. The very final scene coupled with that needlessly long setting sun eating away at precious runtime that could've been used to better show the intended meaning of it comes to mind immediately.

Also, making it OT again, I thought ufo delayed HF's PV for Machi Asobi. Why is it still not public yet?

[Kotonoha]

he even went as far as to do a complete screenplay and camera work for those scenes

Not really

[Astroprogs]

Not really

I remember Nasu specifically mentioning in the draft of that scene what should be shown and how exactly should the camera should show it.

Maybe he didn't do the same for every single addition he wrote for ufo, but seeing how that epilogue followed the draft, I'm not sure if that would've mattered.

[pandacmh]

I remember Nasu specifically mentioning in the draft of that scene what should be shown and how exactly should the camera should show it.

Maybe he didn't do the same for every single addition he wrote for ufo, but seeing how that epilogue followed the draft, I'm not sure if that would've mattered.

A rough script/draft of a scene is not a complete screenplay. There's also the problem of Nasu not being an animator or film director, I'm not saying every decision Miura and his colleagues were right, but they probably saw that Nasu's script version animated wouldn't translate well to the TV screen.