I see. I guess I'll have to wait and see.Originally Posted by remirror
I see. I guess I'll have to wait and see.
I don't understand people who say this. IMO the UBW anime had more to work on than just Shirou's character (tone, pacing (especially in the 2nd cour,) weird directing choices at times, Rin's character, etc.), but I have seen numerous people who have said "Shirou is too complex of a character to be portrayed well in an anime adaptation," which I wholeheartedly disagree with. Just because he hasn't been portrayed well up to this point (and the HF adaptation is actually doing a better job IMO than UBW so far, despite the lack of monologues) that doesn't mean it's impossible. There don't need to be monologues all over the place, just here and there once in a while. Miura insisted on "visual storytelling" (which worked in a few instances, but overall didn't end up conveying the entirety of Shirou's character properly), which resulted in very few monologues, save for the Archer confrontation and a few other episodes. What they could have done which would have remedied a lot of what people have been complaining about is have a few monologues here and there wherever they're needed to understand Shirou's thought process behind his actions, since his actions and thoughts are sometimes contradictory (e.g. the temple scene with Shirou yelling at Archer, when Shirou yells at Gilgamesh as he is killing Illya, the confrontation with Caster where she uses Rule Breaker on Saber, the "your distortion" scene where Rin tells Shirou how warped his way of life is, etc.)
With the double-length episodes, UfoUBW had a length of approximately 28 episodes, give or take, more than enough to incorporate more monologues than they had. People talk about monologues messing up the pacing/tension of scenes, pretending that internal monologues haven't been executed well countless times before in other anime series.
he is reckless and stubborn
UBW had plenty of monologues though. The Shirou vs Archer fight had a really big one and in fact some anime onlies complained about that fight being too long and fucking up the pacing a bit.
HF (that you praised) had almost zero Shirou monologues, like seriously, the deeper parts of his character and his relationship with Kerry were absent for example. That's why someone needs to at least watch UBW before watching HF
Good now tell me where would you put all that was mentioned in that video that I was replying
I know that someone will say it
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The fact that the anime didn't tell us the reason behind his actions?There don't need to be monologues all over the place, just here and there once in a while. Miura insisted on "visual storytelling" (which worked in a few instances, but overall didn't end up conveying the entirety of Shirou's character properly), which resulted in very few monologues, save for the Archer confrontation and a few other episodes. What they could have done which would have remedied a lot of what people have been complaining about is have a few monologues here and there wherever they're needed to understand Shirou's thought process behind his actions, since his actions and thoughts are sometimes contradictory (e.g. the temple scene with Shirou yelling at Archer, when Shirou yells at Gilgamesh as he is killing Illya, the confrontation with Caster where she uses Rule Breaker on Saber, the "your distortion" scene where Rin tells Shirou how warped his way of life is, etc.)
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in general or in each of those instances?
if the former, they did it
They did it in general, definitely. They didn't expound on it in each of those instances, though.
There's plenty of ways to have thoughts and emotions come through visuals rather than monologue, you just have to get creative and play to the medium's strengths, rather than against its weaknesses.
Oh hell yeah. Finally,Nasu'sTakeuchi talent for writing erotica will be shown in its full glory. Can't wait to see some of that mollusk action. "rubs hands"
i wonder how far they will go with that...these ufotable adaptions sure are strange. one minute they are adapting realta nua verbatim and the next they are trying to split the difference with weird halfway measures.
It would have made more sense if they cut out the sex entirely rather than only the mana transfer scenes with HF. Perhaps relegated the Sakura torture to pure physical abuse by Shinji and implication by worms and then have the part Sakura snaps be when Shinji first attempts to try and sexually assault her. I think it makes more narrative sense and is more consistent with things while keeping the darker aspects present to some degree.
As it stands now, i dont think how they are trying to square it fits if we are to consider that these ufotable adaptions are indeed parallel.
KnK as its own thing could actually include rape and atleast make sense with Fujinon's attitude in the movie.
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How was the movie?
Was it better than Presage Flower
I already enjoy the first one
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HF is pretty subtle with their face expression
Something that other adaptations lack.
Also, they don't give mercy to first time viewer it seems
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Sooooooooooo, should I get my hopes up for 5 minute Gilgamesh VS Sakura extended battle with Fate/Zero OST in the middle of Shinto!?
Just how far in the future do you think Japan is
Why would you get your hopes up for the movie to be bad?
I know everyone's deepest darkest secret is watching Gilgamesh GoB spam in Ufotable movie budget animation, the jig is up, all these nonsense caring about a good adaptation, BS. I can see right through you TM fandom.
(sarcasm)
There better to be, raw, uncensored sex. Otherwise HF being allegory about a redhead getting his sexually abused girlfriend into dangerous teenage pregnancy and beating up a muscular catholic priest to force the abortion for them to lead happy lives into the future isn’t going to come off strongly enough.
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I mean, GoB spamming is expected. That's how he kills her, after all.
a lot of people who complain have the attention span and deductions skills of an average anime fan, monologuing is the easy way out, but it is hardly good for audiovisual storytelling
Somehow that allegory doesn't really work that well, since she has been technically a host for AM the whole time, the past ten years with the shards.
More seems like a corrupted Virgin Mary allegory and Shirou is Joseph who is like, "yeah, fuck no, this ain't happening".
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