Heaven's Feel Movies

[forumghost]

what?? U sure? Where you can get that?

From the link Raff just posted.

"If we were to say his prime was 'before joining up with the Einzberns' [Zouken] would fare well even against a servant, and can even win (probably against one servant) under good conditions."

[Wandering Swordwoman]

wooowwell he has lived for hundred years after all
Hmmm what prime Zouken can do beside making bugs?

[Rafflesiac]

Having rewatched Presage Flower just now, it's more forgiving to newbies than I thought. Most of what would be confusing at the start of the movie is explained later on in the movie to a satisfactory degree. In terms of things that you'd have to tell a fresh person watching it, I'd say they'd be the Class system (as that ties into how many super-dudes there are running around) and what a Servant is besides a super-dude (and by extension what a Noble Phantasm is besides a super move). Otherwise a viewer with sharp eyes could infer the rest, including the opening montage, in which the important events are:

- Shirou dies
- Shirou survives (thanks to a pendant?)
- Blue Man tries to kill Shirou
- Glowy circle and glowy sword *
- Blue Girl appears (thanks to glowy circle and glowy sword?) *
- Blue Girl fights off Blue Man, but is injured
- Blue Girl wounds Red Man, who is with Shirou's crush
- Shirou and his crush aren't trying to kill each other

* indicates events that feasibly require knowing about Servants and summoning to make sense in a superficial fashion

As for Lancer and Assassin v. Truck, I can make as many justifications about the breakdown of the Holy Grail War and secrecy and intruding into the normal human order as I want, but really I'm just a simple man who enjoys flashy flashy boom, and it delivered. Presage Flower's still great, Sakura's still cute, Lost Butterfly hype sufficiently intensified.

[Laserman]

https://imgur.com/a/yhv4ZNd

Thanks, I should probably read this after I watch the movie. Maybe I'll do it tomorrow.

Important Facts:
- TOKIOMI DID NOTHING WRONG

NOTHING

WRONG

I never liked the "he should have known or done something" train of thought anyway. It was too much of a headache.

- Sakura doesn't understand what it means to be loved.

I can hear the world's smallest violin right now.

- Hail Mary compatibility summons aren't a thing, press F for fanfics everywhere.

What does this mean exactly?

- Sakura's too depressing

Yes

- Archer figured out what Sakura was going through, but that's not his problem.

Of course not, why would it be his problem?

[Rafflesiac]

What does this mean exactly?

To summon a Servant, you need to have either a catalyst with sufficient memories of history or land with sufficient memories of history. Otherwise it won't work at all.

So even though I like helping people like Siegfried, if I tried summoning him in an American Walmart without a catalyst I'm shit out of luck.

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Also it's a death knell for Shirou summons Medea/Tamamo/Scathach/etc. without a catalyst fanfics.

[Laserman]

Oh wow, that's bad for those writers then.

[forumghost]

To summon a Servant, you need to have either a catalyst with sufficient memories of history or land with sufficient memories of history. Otherwise it won't work at all.

So even though I like helping people like Siegfried, if I tried summoning him in an American Walmart without a catalyst I'm shit out of luck.

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Also it's a death knell for Shirou summons Medea/Tamamo/Scathach/etc. without a catalyst fanfics.

Like that'd stop them.

Besides, it does say that 'there are cases where the summoner himself is the catalyst' (though I can't imagine that working out in Shirou's case. Summoning the Red Man would not go well for him.)

[You]

To summon a Servant, you need to have either a catalyst with sufficient memories of history or land with sufficient memories of history. Otherwise it won't work at all.

So even though I like helping people like Siegfried, if I tried summoning him in an American Walmart without a catalyst I'm shit out of luck.
.

It says the summoner can be the catalyst
So that would be fine

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[Rafflesiac]

Tch, I missed that. I'd like to think that's along the lines of Gil summoning himself.

[castor212]

https://imgur.com/a/yhv4ZNd

"What about the credit pages at the start and the end?" No.
"Can you make them brighter?" No.
"This part's a little blurry, can you take another picture?" No.
"Can you make a Mega link? Become a man, and do it yourself.
"But what about the art bo-" HELL NO. It's all Newtype and Lawson's stuff that everyone's already seen anyways.

Important Facts:
- TOKIOMI DID NOTHING WRONG

NOTHING

WRONG

- Sakura doesn't understand what it means to be loved.
- Hail Mary compatibility summons aren't a thing, press F for fanfics everywhere.
- Sakura's too depressing for those doujins where Shinji whores her out to other students to ever be canon.
- Archer figured out what Sakura was going through, but that's not his problem.

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yes

Ill repay you for this

[JZangetsu]

It's cool that Nasu likes it, I don't. Saber and Diarmuid's first fight in Zero is still the pinnacle of Servant to Servant combat as far as I'm concerned: They tear furrows in the ground and the containers next to them just by clashing their weapons, but their movements are still relatively subdued and you can actually appreciate their skill in trying to dismante each other with the minimal amount of moves. There's all of one flip in the entire battle and that's when Arturia desperately dodges Gae Buidhe the only way she can (and still gets injured for her troubles). Compare and contrast with Lancer's spastic flailing nearly the entirety of the Assassin fight.

This is actually the opposite of what servants fights should be, all the fast paced and over-the-top action is what should actually be reflected as a servant battle, they maintaned that slow pace action even on the second fight of Saber x Diarmuid when the novel clearly states how superhuman they were.

The holy sword intertwined with the demonic lance, in direct opposition; the sparks flying were simply dazzling. The clash between the precious artifacts of legend, driven by strength and speed far beyond that of a human, passed the speed of sound, nearing the speed of light. Observation had long since lost meaning in this momentous battle. Those divine skills, pushed to the limits at the point of this fierce battle, were having a supreme contest between the two.An unknown number of rounds had been fought; perhaps tens of rounds, perhaps hundreds of rounds. It was simply impossible to determine with a mortal eye. After the lance and sword of the two clashed, they finally separated, and moved away from each other.

[Tobias]

Tch, I missed that. I'd like to think that's along the lines of Gil summoning himself.

I mean

i don’t really have a dog in this fight, but it seems pretty clear cut to me that it’s saying that if all else fails, your own traits will determine the servant

[Deathhappens]

https://imgur.com/a/yhv4ZNd

"What about the credit pages at the start and the end?" No.
"Can you make them brighter?" No.
"This part's a little blurry, can you take another picture?" No.
"Can you make a Mega link? Become a man, and do it yourself.
"But what about the art bo-" HELL NO. It's all Newtype and Lawson's stuff that everyone's already seen anyways.

Important Facts:
- TOKIOMI DID NOTHING WRONG

NOTHING

WRONG

- Sakura doesn't understand what it means to be loved.
- Hail Mary compatibility summons aren't a thing, press F for fanfics everywhere.
- Sakura's too depressing for those doujins where Shinji whores her out to other students to ever be canon.
- Archer figured out what Sakura was going through, but that's not his problem.

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yes

Real Hiro o7

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I see the conversation continued in my absence yesterday. I'd have liked to expound some more, but I'd say my points have been more or less covered by others. Nice to not be the wailing madman for once.

[Wandering Swordwoman]

OOooohhh Taiga turns out to be a deeper character than a carefree happy teacher. I didn't know this!

[Bobin]

Just think about the story of this girl, Sakura, and how she goes to this guy's house for years as her only crutch of happiness while going through the motions of living since every aspect of her tortured life has already been decided. About how she unknowingly misses the only opportunity for the Senpai route forever by not walking home with him on that ONE night. No Tiger Dojo

Now rest of her life suddenly spirals into a Bad End where Ms. Favorite Child That Has Everything shows up to acknowledge her long enough to get her kicked out of this happy place and spends two magical~ weeks with her Senpai that has him eating right out of the vixen's hands by the end of it. As time moves on, Sakura ever distantly drifts into the awkward third wheel as Shirou and Rin do and talk about thing that consistently keep her out of the loop, and the final nail is hammered in the coffin as they decide to move to London for "study", together. Powerless and in no position to do anything about it, Sakura is left behind and eventually forgotten.

Zouken's plan ultimately fails too because Sakura's perpetual aura of loom and gloom eventually kills all the dick worms with erectile dysfunction and it wards off all the suitors.

At the end of the day, Senpai, who we"ll dub as Archer for now:
was in a working relationship with Rin in life that remained significant
imprinted the meeting with Saber into his soul like a baby chick would
and Sakura was just the childhood friend that always loses

[Wandering Swordwoman]

Omg you're so rash

It makes me remember when I still visit MAL. Someone make a GIF Sakura eating worms right at the face of Sakurafag

[Deathhappens]

This is actually the opposite of what servants fights should be, all the fast paced and over-the-top action is what should actually be reflected as a servant battle, they maintaned that slow pace action even on the second fight of Saber x Diarmuid when the novel clearly states how superhuman they were.

Oh hey, a comment recent enough that I can respond to it!

That, you see, is the difference between literature and visual media. In a book, you can't show your readers what's happening, so you use their imagination to create the image; simile, metaphor, and exaggeration are all valuable tools in a writer's arsenal. When you write about a strike "falling like a thunderclap" or a character "bending like a reed on a mighty wind", what you're trying to do is conjure in the reader's head "the image of a strike as heavy and swift as a lightning bolt" or "the image of a character swaying back with impossible grace". With animation, you actually have to show your watchers this "divine contest of skill" and have them come away with "this was a battle between people who are incredibly skilled". You can't adhere to the whole "too fast for mortal eyes to follow" thing or you end up with silliness like that bit in the first Archer/Lancer fight in UBW, where all you see is their hands Jojoing and sparks coming off for half a minute. This might look impressive to the uninitiated, but in fact it's a time-honoured time and labour-saving technique; no need to draw/animate what their limbs are actually doing, just draw a hundred hands clashing with a hundred other hands and the reader/watcher can make up the fight in their own mind! That's why you see it used so much in older anime and manga in particular: Jojo, Hokuto no Ken, Dragonball, etc. It takes far more effort to actually show a fight that makes it look like the participants are "divinely skilled" without ending up looming dumb. The Saber/Diarmuid fight is a great exanple; as a good runner-up, the Saber/Kojirou fight in UBW went pretty well, as I recall it. Contrast with Archer fighting Kojirou, again in UBW, where he stops and twirls his swords like a fidget spinner in the middle of a fight because the choreographer couldn't come up with a better way to show a skilled dual-wielding swordsman.

Getting a bit off-topic to make my point easier to understand, it's like the gunplay in [B-action movie of your choice] where the characters twirl their guns around all the time versus the gunplay in John Wick, where you can see him take a shooting stance every time he aims his gun at someone.

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Just think about the story of this girl, Sakura, and how she goes to this guy's house for years as her only crutch of happiness while going through the motions of living since every aspect of her tortured life has already been decided. About how she unknowingly misses the only opportunity for the Senpai route forever by not walking home with him on that ONE night. No Tiger Dojo

Now rest of her life suddenly spirals into a Bad End where Ms. Favorite Child That Has Everything shows up to acknowledge her long enough to get her kicked out of this happy place and spends two magical~ weeks with her Senpai that has him eating right out of the vixen's hands by the end of it. As time moves on, Sakura ever distantly drifts into the awkward third wheel as Shirou and Rin do and talk about thing that consistently keep her out of the loop, and the final nail is hammered in the coffin as they decide to move to London for "study", together. Powerless and in no position to do anything about it, Sakura is left behind and eventually forgotten.

Zouken's plan ultimately fails too because Sakura's perpetual aura of loom and gloom eventually kills all the dick worms with erectile dysfunction and it wards off all the suitors.

At the end of the day, Senpai, who we"ll dub as Archer for now:
was in a working relationship with Rin in life that remained significant
imprinted the meeting with Saber into his soul like a baby chick would
and Sakura was just the childhood friend that always loses

That's funny, but not entirely fair. Rin had a crush on Shirou for years too, one she held off from acting on because it was her gloomy sister's only ray of hope. It took a literally world-ending event for her to get closer to him, and it's not like she went in in "steal yo man" mode. It just... happened.
Besides, Shirou is a dork. Sakura could've gotten him at any point just by actually clinging to him for once, she just couldn't drop the Unmei no Shoujo Sakura heroine aura for five seconds so she just watched the Redman train leave the station without her on board.

[remirror]

Just think about the story of this girl, Sakura, and how she goes to this guy's house for years as her only crutch of happiness while going through the motions of living since every aspect of her tortured life has already been decided. About how she unknowingly misses the only opportunity for the Senpai route forever by not walking home with him on that ONE night. No Tiger Dojo

Now rest of her life suddenly spirals into a Bad End where Ms. Favorite Child That Has Everything shows up to acknowledge her long enough to get her kicked out of this happy place and spends two magical~ weeks with her Senpai that has him eating right out of the vixen's hands by the end of it. As time moves on, Sakura ever distantly drifts into the awkward third wheel as Shirou and Rin do and talk about thing that consistently keep her out of the loop, and the final nail is hammered in the coffin as they decide to move to London for "study", together. Powerless and in no position to do anything about it, Sakura is left behind and eventually forgotten.

Zouken's plan ultimately fails too because Sakura's perpetual aura of loom and gloom eventually kills all the dick worms with erectile dysfunction and it wards off all the suitors.

At the end of the day, Senpai, who we"ll dub as Archer for now:
was in a working relationship with Rin in life that remained significant
imprinted the meeting with Saber into his soul like a baby chick would
and Sakura was just the childhood friend that always loses

At least we have Heaven's Feel, where everything goes right for Sakura

[Deathhappens]

If by " everything goes right" you mean "almost dies and almost brings forth the end of the world", sure.

[Wandering Swordwoman]

almost make her senpai killed by saving her