Fate/Grand Order General Discussion (CONTAINS SPOILERS)

[Delzor]

If Jeanne *does* Berserkers as a weakness, then maybe Berserker's bonus stacks with it. [(x2 weakness multiplier) * (x1.5 berserker multiplier)] for x3 damage on her. Berserkers deal and take x1.5 damage instead of the usual x2 counter multiplier (according to what Kyte dug up at least).

So then... is it possible for kyte to see if the ruler class is indeed weak against berserkers?

It is a better plan than sending our buddies to their deaths lol.

[GundamFSN]

But then why do the other servants take significantly less damage from berserkers than she does?

Hmm yeah. I just fought Lancelot with the Jeanne support and she's down in 2-3 hits. One hit from Lancelot does around 2k lol.

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So Jeanne's apparent weakness is the Berserkers.

[Troika]

I didn't have that much trouble with the chimera, but then I had two berserkers with fully charged NPs that I immediately nailed it with, and since one of them was Lu Bu it also got paralyzed.

[Demiurge]

It is because this guy can be farmed forever I believe... thats why he gives a little less.

Oh? Is that so? Interesting... How much EXP do the 40 AP Master EXP quests give in comparison? That could be a harder but more efficient way of levelling your Master up.

[nununu]

So then... is it possible for kyte to see if the ruler class is indeed weak against berserkers?

It is a better plan than sending our buddies to their deaths lol.

I'm guessing we'd have to wait a while. He's prolly off to work atm or something.

[Demiurge]

Hmm yeah. I just fought Lancelot with the Jeanne support and she's down in 2-3 hits. One hit from Lancelot does around 2k lol.

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So Jeanne's apparent weakness is the Berserkers.

Oh yeah, you're right. She did fall to Lancelot once. And he only focused on her, too. I felt like he thought she was Arthuria, the same way Gilles thought Arthuria was Jeanne. (Plus, Final Boss Gilles focuses on Jeanne too)

[Tenzen12]

Question: Did anyone tried confuse Gilles by using Saber as bait instead?

[GundamFSN]

Oh yeah, you're right. She did fall to Lancelot once. And he only focused on her, too. I felt like he thought she was Arthuria, the same way Gilles thought Arthuria was Jeanne. (Plus, Final Boss Gilles focuses on Jeanne too)

Bringing Jeanne is actually a good tactic then.

[Delzor]

Oh? Is that so? Interesting... How much EXP do the 40 AP Master EXP quests give in comparison? That could be a harder but more efficient way of levelling your Master up.

The 40 ap master quest probably gives more exp... but this one is not locked behind waiting for a certain day of the week. Also the claws he drops are needed for some servant ascensions.

Note: Another unfortunate thing is that this is the only normal way to encounter a chimera outside of dailies after the main story quest.

[TwilightsCall]

I'm guessing we'd have to wait a while. He's prolly off to work atm or something.

Kyte already posted the list of weaknesses and strengths with each of their damage coefficients. It's in this thread somewhere, I'll try to dig it up.

[Delzor]

Question: Did anyone tried confuse Gilles by using Saber as bait instead?

I've had saber since I was level 1 and Gilles just ignored her for Jeanne lol.

[Thedoctor]

I've had saber since I was level 1 and Gilles just ignored her for Jeanne lol.

I don't rhink gilles would be mistake if Jeanne was actually there.

[Nikiri]

Here is the damage list, posted earlier in this thread by Kyte
http://pastebin.com/AwM7j72G

[TwilightsCall]

Found it: http://pastebin.com/AwM7j72G

Ruler takes 50% damage from all classes except Berserkers. Berserkers deal 1.2x normal damage, and all Non-Shielder classes take 50% extra damage from Berserkers, giving her a stacked total of 1.8x received damage from Berserkers. Which is the same modifier for everyone (except Shielder, who takes 1.2x damage).

Also of note in here, Assassins, Casters, and Shielders deal 10% less damage than normal. Archers deal 5% less than normal. Lancers deal 5% more than normal. Rulers deal 10% more than normal. Berserkers deal 20% more than normal. All of these modifiers are in addition to the weapon triangle.

[nununu]

1. Ruler,Berserker,1100,2000,2200
   
   Ruler explicitly takes more damage from Berserkers according to this?

[Demiurge]

1. Ruler,Berserker,1100,2000,2200

That's Ruler attacking Berserkers, right? So it shouldn't affect the damage Zerkers do. She's just stronger overall and that's why she does more damage to everything.

[TwilightsCall]

Yeah, first name is Attacker, second name is Defender. So that entry says Ruler deals 2.2x damage to Berserkers.

[manafusion]

Ruler was removed from the class relationship graph for no apparent reason. Such weird thing to do.

I finally defeated giant dragon. I know understand why Balmung Siegfried is considered legendary warrior. If he managed to survive the dragons without an assassin like Sasaki Kojiro, he truly deserves that title (but he didn't so blegh).

EDIT: Why did I think of Balmung? Because the sword's name is more famous in my mind than Siegfried. I might just love sword names more. XD

[GhostDIGIT]

Just rolled yet another berserker. It's Spartacus again....Should I just feed him and his clone to Herc or level one of their NPs, which I'll definitely never use.

[Delzor]

Found it: http://pastebin.com/AwM7j72G

Ruler takes 50% damage from all classes except Berserkers. Berserkers deal 1.2x normal damage, and all Non-Shielder classes take 50% extra damage from Berserkers, giving her a stacked total of 1.8x received damage from Berserkers. Which is the same modifier for everyone (except Shielder, who takes 1.2x damage).

Also of note in here, Assassins, Casters, and Shielders deal 10% less damage than normal. Archers deal 5% less than normal. Lancers deal 5% more than normal. Rulers deal 10% more than normal. Berserkers deal 20% more than normal. All of these modifiers are in addition to the weapon triangle.

Oh, thanks for clarifying that. Still confused how she died in just 2 hits though...