Fate/Grand Order General Discussion (CONTAINS SPOILERS)

[Altaris]

you can forcefeed np with arts teams all day
tamamo, waver, bb, prisma cosmos everywhere
its not the most fun thing to do but its a thing

I mean yes, but that also applies to Schez since her Guts last 2 turns on a really good base cooldown.

Also Schez is better at dealing damage.

My point is Iri now lose her true uniqueness/niche because there's someone that can do what she does while also providing more to the team.

[Pendant]

Irisviel is a freebie 4-star who you can NP5.... isn't Schez is the current Spook-Caster...?

She's a really good unit

[Altaris]

She used to be the buttjoke, but since her NP interlude she's basically queen of AoE Caster so now people can only criticize her on her art/personality

[astagadragon]

Schez is very good now
Iri can heal I guess, she'd better in stall comps while Schez can do some AoE damage like in this event raid against Semi

[Nikiri]

well, 500 hp is like one hit

[Aozaki-desu]

She's a really good unit

is she?
i dont really see it outside of exploiting her bullshit "look were making her good now pls dont be mad" 300% antiking OC?

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i mean i really dont get it Anastasia is better and now Da Vinci is way better for pure np damage and guts doesnt really do anything

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oh and there is nero i guess
and while she's annoying as fuck 50% atk up for 3 turns for ally is better than entirety of schez kit

[Pendant]

How does guts not do anything? You can heal back up from getting low and when needed she can cast it again. And the anti-king stuff is great. Anyone who is not blatantly OP needs to find a niche.

[Altaris]

i mean i really dont get it Anastasia is better and now Da Vinci is way better for pure np damage and guts doesnt really do anything

There are like, a crap tons of King enemies though

I love Natsya but her NP damage sucks ball ... She has good skills but in practical use i always find her useless after that first NP, while Da Vinci NP has really low hit count so she doesn't refund her NP as fast as someone like Schez or Natsya. She charges the initial NP faster though.

Schez has utility (guts are good if enemies has Invul Pierce i guess), very strong aoe NP (she's basically only behind Da Vinci in term of pure damage but against King she hits harder than single target) and good NP refund.

The only one you can make argument against is Summer Nero, who also lacks a good OC effect as well as a NP Interlude, so it's basically a trade off.

Given how DW has a hard boner of giving King trait to every prominent enemies, I know who I'd pick

[Nikiri]

well, we will probably fight with every king / ruler / sovereign of the lostbelt, so there could be some use

[Altaris]

Yeah having Anti-King trait is basically as good as Anti-Divine Trait (50 Kings vs 52 Divine Servants)

[asterism42]

Duel of the Saviours

[Oz1337]

Schez has utility (guts are good if enemies has Invul Pierce i guess)

Frankly, I never see Guts as something that makes a Servant good unless it's a unit that can take full advantage of it, because if it can't, like it happens with Scherezade, it's just a skill that while it may be useful in some situations, ultimately it'll never be a factor that will make me choose her over another Servant.

I'm at the camp of Scherezade being a flawed Servant IMO. The problem I have with Scherezade is that:
- Her Anti-King feature being attached to an AoE NP makes it very hard to fully exploit the damage bonus against bosses. Had it been a ST NP I would easily use her in boss battles against other Kings if I had her at OC 300%. But it's an AoE, so no dice here. Sure, good refund against multiple enemies, but once there's only one then it's not worth it.
- Her attack stat is shit, even for Caster standarts. Which is the stat she needs the most frankly. I mean, Casters are never going to do a lot of damage, but seriously not reaching 10K even before applying the hidden modifier is stupid.
- Her skills leave much to be desired. Like seriously, 1 turn duration and 8-6 cooldown is BS, it's the same complain I have with Li Shuwen.

Honestly, a lot of Casters that have AoE capabilities have better balanced stats, skills and NP that ultimately makes me deviate towards them. And if I really want the Caster to kill the boss, I would rather pick any of the good ST Casters like Queen of Sheba or Xuanzang and focus on one Servant at a time.

[Altaris]

Frankly, I never see Guts as something that makes a Servant good unless it's a unit that can take full advantage of it, because if it can't, like it happens with Scherezade, it's just a skill that while it may be useful in some situations, ultimately it'll never be a factor that will make me choose her over another Servant.

I'm at the camp of Scherezade being a flawed Servant IMO. The problem I have with Scherezade is that:
- Her Anti-King feature being attached to an AoE NP makes it very hard to fully exploit the damage bonus against bosses. Had it been a ST NP I would easily use her in boss battles against other Kings if I had her at OC 300%. But it's an AoE, so no dice here. Sure, good refund against multiple enemies, but once there's only one then it's not worth it.
- Her attack stat is shit, even for Caster standarts. Which is the stat she needs the most frankly. I mean, Casters are never going to do a lot of damage, but seriously not reaching 10K even before applying the hidden modifier is stupid.
- Her skills leave much to be desired. Like seriously, 1 turn duration and 8-6 cooldown is BS, it's the same complain I have with Li Shuwen.

Honestly, a lot of Casters that have AoE capabilities have better balanced stats, skills and NP that ultimately makes me deviate towards them. And if I really want the Caster to kill the boss, I would rather pick any of the good ST Casters like Queen of Sheba or Xuanzang and focus on one Servant at a time.

I mean, all the flaws you listed are valid. I never claim she's a perfect or OP servants though. She's just a pretty good Servant.

It's that AoE Caster is a very poor archetype, hence her being just pretty good is enough to be the best

[Oz1337]

Welp, I just realised that there's new interludes, so I suppose now her Guts is AoE. It's okay, I guess, though the most I can think when I look at that skill is "Why does Dress of Heaven still has shit NP gain...?".

[Trubo]

Scathach is still relevant against divine enemies make no mistake
Summer Raikou is the closest rival to Bryn and they kinda work the same (ST damage + support slutting)
Shark is okay but no np upgrade and 2/3 skills have annoying demerits

Her second skill's demerit may as well not exist.

There are like, a crap tons of King enemies though

And class triangle is generally better than caring about that overcharge.

Schez has utility (guts are good if enemies has Invul Pierce i guess), very strong aoe NP (she's basically only behind Da Vinci in term of pure damage but against King she hits harder than single target) and good NP refund.

It's a Caster AoE NP, which is rarely ever needed. I'll stick with Da Vinci and Nero (Caster) simply because of their instant NP gauge skills letting them get away with 100 BG or similar event CE to make farming faster.

[quote]The only one you can make argument against is Summer Nero, who also lacks a good OC effect as well as a NP Interlude, so it's basically a trade off.

Invincible Pierce and 20% NP Power Up isn't bad, especially with her ridiculous +80% Attack Up from her own skills.

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Welp, I just realised that there's new interludes, so I suppose now her Guts is AoE. It's okay, I guess, though the most I can think when I look at that skill is "Why does Dress of Heaven still has shit NP gain...?".

Rhinegold

[Iceblade44]

Rhinegold

I mean yes but when Siegfried has it it boosts his NP.gen or fills it completely during Nero fest

[jennajayfeather]

Honestly I like the party wide guts. I use Caster Nero w/ Arash but I wouldn't say Schehe's bad just because I have Caster Nero. All in all I'd say she's decent. I would like to see her Arts boost maintain 3 turns or have 50% boost though.

Also if she could give party wide defense or attract all enemies

[Trubo]

I mean yes but when Siegfried has it it boosts his NP.gen or fills it completely during Nero fest

Was meant to be a joke but fine. Siegfried's has slightly stronger value + lasts for three turns cause that's all it does. Iris' gives her Invincible.

Iris doesn't get nearly as much use out of the skill because she has extremely bad base NP generation coupled with very low hit counts.

[Lily Emilio]

Here's hoping one day Karna got a Star Focus buff onto his 3rd or 1st skill

If only he had the Achilles treatment where all of his NPs are skills.

[GundamFSN]

increased star focus, critical dmg up (new), heal without a change

>Bryn SQ
>No Bryn Rate-Up

Ok DW, why?

WHY?

Guess Scathach is slowly dying now. Ain't it good, Scathach?

Here's hoping one day Karna got a Star Focus buff onto his 3rd or 1st skill

Same. Also increase the Star gen and Crit dmg to 100% heheheh.

Yeah no. Without that King Hassan/Arash Nero Quest noone would ever bother using her

Someone....use Shahrazad???

Seems like they don't understand the Servant's heart,

I love Natsya but her NP damage sucks ball ... She has good skills but in practical use i always find her useless after that first NP, while Da Vinci NP has really low hit count so she doesn't refund her NP as fast as someone like Schez or Natsya. She charges the initial NP faster though.

Well, I'm sure the day when Anastasia gets an NP upgrade is also the day where she triumphs in glory.

Tho yeah in NP gen competition it would be da Vinci>Anastasia>Shahrazad

I mean yes but when Siegfried has it it boosts his NP.gen or fills it completely during Nero fest

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