Fate/Grand Order General Discussion (CONTAINS SPOILERS)

[Aozaki-desu]

No NP charge skill means you can't farm with him

this is quite literally false
i mean i get it if you dont have skadi but double skadi / dantes is ridicilously efficient way for manual farming of event stages
busters and arts dont have options of outputting this amount of aoe damage as of now

p.s. Semi being dispenser of 50% buster resistance down gives her quite a bit of high difficutly potential. could take nightingale's place at the very least. and she is assassin-farmer with np charge, weak her damage may be.

I'm not sure he should be that high if he requires another Servant, especially if you need two of that Servant...also Achilles would still be better than him with Skadi meme teams most of the time.

34k np damage vs 24k np damage

[Swiftstar88]

Difficulty = fun in my book, so I'm writing this off as a difference of opinion.

[castor212]

this grinding starting to get really annoying

[rxrx]

Difficulty = fun in my book, so I'm writing this off as a difference of opinion.

Let's do that. I mean it is the best to have fun in your own manner.

[Zork Knight]

"Dantes is really good, you just need a Skadi of your own" means Dantes is not really good.

[8000]

this is quite literally false
i mean i get it if you dont have skadi but double skadi / dantes is ridicilously efficient way for manual farming of event stages
busters and arts dont have options of outputting this amount of aoe damage as of now

p.s. Semi being dispenser of 50% buster resistance down gives her quite a bit of high difficutly potential. could take nightingale's place at the very least. and she is assassin-farmer with np charge, weak her damage may be.


34k np damage vs 24k np damage

I don't have double Skadi. If he needs double Skadi he shouldn't be that high. Also if it's an event people will usually want to use bonus Servants.

Semi's not a good farmer if she needs stars, that means you need to add someone with a stargen skill. Which is fine in some cases, but isn't always possible. So far I haven't been able to use her third skill more than once in a boss fight and she's basically taking up space while it's on cool down.

Achilles does non-neutral damage Casters, although looking at the numbers on their skills Dantes is better against neutral enemies if NP charge isn't an issue.

[GundamFSN]

its always the wrong ssr for me lately

Spoiler:

wrong gender, wrong body type, WRONG COLOR SKIN, WRONG HEIGHT, WRONG EVERYTHING

*wheeze*

Grats for the Summer stuffs.

"You called for me, right? Yeah you called for me. No? Huh?"

is mhxx good

please tell me she;s good

She's solid.

Great np gen, good star weight, can gen decent amount of stars, and has survivability and offensive tools. Her NP hits harder than Abby unless you're comparing NP3+ vs NP3+

Also Slash Emperor'ing shit just feels so good. And her FA made me goes "ah this is a smile I want to protect."

Can't wait to use her for CQ in an Art team.

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"Dantes is really good, you just need a Skadi of your own" means Dantes is not really good.

His animation is so good now that he is upped in the tierlist

Kuhahahaha

Kehahaha

[Aozaki-desu]

"Dantes is really good, you just need a Skadi of your own" means Dantes is not really good.

by that logic, Merlin isnt really good because he needs someone else to apply Hero Creation to? Because he aint great when it comes to whacking people with buster crits

[GundamFSN]

this grinding starting to get really annoying

Same

I don't think I can finish this event without apples.

[R.Lock]

"Dantes is really good, you just need a Skadi of your own" means Dantes is not really good.

"Euryale is really good, you just need the boss to be male and preferably not Lancer."

[Magikewl]

Maybe tierlists are bad after all

[manafusion]

While Hijikata is decent on paper, he is really difficult to use and i basically never find myself in situation of "Hijikata would be great here in particular"
same goes for Enkidu
MHX and Schez are better in that regard because they have clear purpose except MHX is never relevant and Schez is still not relevant despite all imbalanced buffs DW gave her

If I were to push for a solo enemy slay that's not in any regular classes, I'd actually pick Hijikata over many other 5* ST Berserkers. He may lack survivability compared to Cu Alter or one-turn burst damage compared to Kintoki when either are paired with double Merlin but what he offers is a value that's guaranteed to not suck. Got hit once or twice by the enemy? Pop his crit skill and watch him fly. Even if not, he can still fly decently compared to these two because he can guarantee the crit rather than playing the game of chance. On top of that, being hit before doing an NP attack is really great even if slightly marred by Merlin's HP boost causing the values to skew lower than originally and the heal is there to ensure he can keep doing it without completely risking the turn to a potential death scenario.

As for Enkidu, his time to shine has always been against Divine Archer. Stun proccing off NP means a turn of relieve and potential delay of enemy NP. While his 1st skill is unreliable in every non-NP aspect, it does perform as intended when he NPs and he does work well enough to ensure that he can survive most enemies, both in terms of countering the enemy's NP as well as debuff and damage dealt to him. Certainly wouldn't rate him lower than B. He can, has and will be useful. You just won't use him as often until the next Divine Archer challenge battle (aka NeroFes Gil fight).

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Maybe tierlists are bad after all

Tierlists are bad civs.

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this is quite literally false
i mean i get it if you dont have skadi but double skadi / dantes is ridicilously efficient way for manual farming of event stages
busters and arts dont have options of outputting this amount of aoe damage as of now

p.s. Semi being dispenser of 50% buster resistance down gives her quite a bit of high difficutly potential. could take nightingale's place at the very least. and she is assassin-farmer with np charge, weak her damage may be.

With Summer BB memes incoming, I expect a lot more Buster/Arts 3-turn farming team with plugsuit as a second requirement.

[8000]

by that logic, Merlin isnt really good because he needs someone else to apply Hero Creation to? Because he aint great when it comes to whacking people with buster crits

There are loads of Servants Merlin can use Hero Creation on. He doesn't need one specific Servant like Dantes does.

[manafusion]

"Dantes is really good, you just need a Skadi of your own" means Dantes is not really good.

Sounds like almost every single Buster Servant to me as well, funnily enough. They weren't really *that* great until Merlin came with his stars and spangles. They were good, don't get me wrong. But they couldn't have achieved the level they are at today if not because of Merlin.

Honestly, the only Buster Servant I can ever think of that performs about the same is Raikou. She already self-generates stars. Merlin giving her stars isn't really a point and the crits could be partially achieved with double Waver instead and with longer duration as well.

[Aozaki-desu]

There are loads of Servants Merlin can use Hero Creation on. He doesn't need one specific Servant like Dantes does.

so is dantes
just use him with waver / support skadi for massive crit-damage np-spam. wont be able to 3-turn farm but it would still be damn strong
and you were given Euryale example earlier. She is undeniably excellent 3-star single target and can compete with golds, but if we ignore her specialty there is nothing left of why she is good
doing this with dantes would be "this really strong servant can do that amazing thing if you pair him with another 2 servants but lets not mention that if you dont happen to own that other servant"

With Summer BB memes incoming, I expect a lot more Buster/Arts 3-turn farming team with plugsuit as a second requirement.

no because it would require a good hand
challenge quests where you can restart until you get a hand or spend some turns getting it - yeah
farming - nah

[Oz1337]

I don't mind tierlists if there's a good explanation as to why something is rated high or low. Then we can have normal discussions as to why you agree or disagree without throwing shit to each other. If that ends up with some Servants changing positions, then it's okay, and if it doesn't, then it's also okay.

And if it ultimately helps to make you try some Servants you usually don't, then that's the best outcome, because some Servants are unfortunately underrated and not often used due to being compared to others that are even better, which is a pity.

[manafusion]

no because it would require a good hand
challenge quests where you can restart until you get a hand or spend some turns getting it - yeah
farming - nah

Hrmm... Oh yeah. Right. We're talking about consistency when it comes to farming and getting that first set of cards more consistent is harder to do when you're paying 40AP per battle.

[Rockxas]

its always the wrong ssr for me lately

Spoiler:

wrong gender, wrong body type, WRONG COLOR SKIN, WRONG HEIGHT, WRONG EVERYTHING

*wheeze*

If he asked you out to do summer stuff, would you say no? And if you wouldn't, are you sure he's the wrong one?

[Tepanyakigo]

Sounds like almost every single Buster Servant to me as well, funnily enough. They weren't really *that* great until Merlin came with his stars and spangles. They were good, don't get me wrong. But they couldn't have achieved the level they are at today if not because of Merlin.

Honestly, the only Buster Servant I can ever think of that performs about the same is Raikou. She already self-generates stars. Merlin giving her stars isn't really a point and the crits could be partially achieved with double Waver instead and with longer duration as well.

I totally agree with you, which is why "Quick is weak" is truly moot. Jalter wont be as good as she is now without Merlin, Raikou has that same annoying evasion tied to buster buff (and she is glass canon), and so many others.

People have been using Merlin and Waver with 2030 for a long time they forget that buster, arts, and quick are equally suck arse without external factors.

[Oz1337]

Frankly, the fact that I can now bring a Quick Servant to a boss fight and not feel like I'm just doing it to challenge myself is the reason why I consider Skadi to be an EX rank. Anything that turns Quick cards into stupidly good is an EX rank to me.